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  • Vote NO! on Proposition 60!!!

    From =?UTF-8?B?RMOkbmsgNDLDmA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 02:54:23 2016
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.potics.homosexuality, alt.california
    XPost: ba.general

    Self-righteous Californians have collected enough signatures to get
    Proposition 60 on the November ballot, which will require porn actors
    to always use condoms, which will effectively drive the porn industry
    out of California and to other states or countries that have no such
    laws.

    As a gay man, a fan of porn (straight porn, oddly enough), and a
    former resident of the porn capitals of California and Nevada,
    I have to say that this is a stoopid idea.

    Advocates of Prop. 60 say it is essential to control the HIV
    epidemic. I grew up during the worst of the epidemic during the
    1980s and 1990s, and the fact is that the porn industry, at least
    after PCR testing that can detect HIV within several days
    after infection, has one of the lowest rates of HIV transmission
    in the general population.

    Porn has suffered a few HIV outbreaks, but if your intention is
    to control the transmission of HIV, there are other targets that
    are much more responsible for the numbers. Gay bars and bath
    houses. Period. And you can't accuse me of "homophobia" because
    I am homosexual, and what I say (because I am still alive) is the
    truth.

    More cases of HIV are transmitted in a few gay bars in New York,
    San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas on a typical weekend
    night than have been transmitted in the entire porn industry in
    the last 20 years.

    Condoms are a total turnoff in porn. Porn is a fantasy. Condoms
    are not a fantasy. Might as well wrap all the actors in Saran
    Wrap and douse them in Clorox. PCR, plus a few day's quarantine,
    is all that is needed. Advocates of Prop. 60 are nothing but
    religious fanatics, combined with perhaps a dozen anal-
    retentive homosexuals. Legal porn is safer than any other
    industry. Take this idea to its logical extreme, and we will
    soon ban scheisse videos, which seem to be more popular these
    days than bareback hetero porn, and feces can also transmit
    nasty viruses.

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  • From Wayne@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 07:13:32 2016
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    XPost: ba.general

    On 10/31/2016 7:54 PM, Dänk 42Ø wrote:
    Self-righteous Californians have collected enough signatures to get Proposition 60 on the November ballot, which will require porn actors
    to always use condoms, which will effectively drive the porn industry
    out of California and to other states or countries that have no such
    laws.

    As a gay man, a fan of porn (straight porn, oddly enough), and a
    former resident of the porn capitals of California and Nevada,
    I have to say that this is a stoopid idea.

    Advocates of Prop. 60 say it is essential to control the HIV
    epidemic. I grew up during the worst of the epidemic during the
    1980s and 1990s, and the fact is that the porn industry, at least
    after PCR testing that can detect HIV within several days
    after infection, has one of the lowest rates of HIV transmission
    in the general population.

    Porn has suffered a few HIV outbreaks, but if your intention is
    to control the transmission of HIV, there are other targets that
    are much more responsible for the numbers. Gay bars and bath
    houses. Period. And you can't accuse me of "homophobia" because
    I am homosexual, and what I say (because I am still alive) is the
    truth.

    More cases of HIV are transmitted in a few gay bars in New York,
    San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas on a typical weekend
    night than have been transmitted in the entire porn industry in
    the last 20 years.

    Condoms are a total turnoff in porn. Porn is a fantasy. Condoms
    are not a fantasy. Might as well wrap all the actors in Saran
    Wrap and douse them in Clorox. PCR, plus a few day's quarantine,
    is all that is needed. Advocates of Prop. 60 are nothing but
    religious fanatics, combined with perhaps a dozen anal-
    retentive homosexuals. Legal porn is safer than any other
    industry. Take this idea to its logical extreme, and we will
    soon ban scheisse videos, which seem to be more popular these
    days than bareback hetero porn, and feces can also transmit
    nasty viruses.

    This is a strange ballot issue until it sinks in that the intent of the proposition is to drive the porn industry out of state.

    When LA passed the condom ordinance, the porn industry left and went
    elsewhere in the state. Thus the idea was born to have a statewide requirement.

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Wayne on Tue Nov 1 10:40:47 2016
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.california XPost: ba.general

    "Wayne" wrote in message news:nva7tn$7kv$[email protected]...

    This is a strange ballot issue until it sinks in that the intent of the proposition is to drive the porn industry out of state.

    When LA passed the condom ordinance, the porn industry left and went elsewhere in the state.

    It'll probably move to Florida or NYC...

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?RMOkbmsgNDLDmA==?=@21:1/5 to Wayne on Tue Nov 1 22:50:53 2016
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.potics.homosexuality, alt.california
    XPost: ba.general

    On 11/01/2016 02:13 PM, Wayne wrote:

    This is a strange ballot issue until it sinks in that the intent of the proposition is to drive the porn industry out of state.

    When LA passed the condom ordinance, the porn industry left and went elsewhere in the state. Thus the idea was born to have a statewide requirement.

    Right, and it will drive the industry out of state and have absolutely
    no effect on California's HIV rate and damage one of its major economic sectors. We'll just get more of that crappy Russian porn with its ugly
    and anemically pale actors.

    Digressing slightly, I remember when I was a kid porn was something
    exiting. As Madonna once said, part of the fun of seeing it was the
    taboo, that it was hidden away. She said she felt, that as a child,
    that it was not really damaging to see it, it was the excitement of
    doing what adults said you were not supposed to do. Now it's so
    commonplace it's really become kind of boring, which is why Playboy
    got rid of the nude models that made it so scandalously famous back
    in the Leave it to Beaver days of the 1950s. "I only read it for the
    articles!"


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    what sexual positions are left, what other violence can
    you show, what other drugs can you do, what other thing
    can you get pierced? It's all been done. Sickly enough,
    maybe we can all be excited by the taboos once again."

    -- Marilyn Manson

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