• Boot Loader

    From Thomas Dewitt@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 01:08:48 2022
    There are many users who have dual booting installed on their PCs. The Grub bootloader is typically used on Ubuntu systems. A recent Windows update has, however, overridden many users' Windows Boot Manager Settings. These changes prevent users from
    booting into Ubuntu after updating Windows. https://digicruncher.com/install-grub-bootloader-in-windows-10/
    It has been discussed how to install Grub bootloader in Windows 10 after a Windows update has overridden it.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Thomas Dewitt on Fri Mar 11 07:47:19 2022
    On 3/11/2022 4:08 AM, Thomas Dewitt wrote:
    There are many users who have dual booting installed on their PCs. The Grub bootloader is typically used on Ubuntu systems. A recent Windows update has, however, overridden many users' Windows Boot Manager Settings. These changes prevent users from
    booting into Ubuntu after updating Windows.
    https://digicruncher.com/install-grub-bootloader-in-windows-10/
    It has been discussed how to install Grub bootloader in Windows 10 after a Windows update has overridden it.


    But this is the Windows XP group.

    There is a separate group for Windows-10.

    Perhaps there is a slight misinterpretation of what's happened ?

    First of all, the BIOS has a popup boot menu. It has *multiple*
    entries in it. This serves to prevent a loss of control incident.
    Windows Boot Manager is one entry. Ubuntu can be a second UEFI entry.
    The BIOS offers your "first level" of boot selection.

    Windows 10, when it does an upgrade, some of the more recent ones
    (like maybe 19041), they may change the previous "Win10" "Win7"
    BCD menu to just "Win10", then, since a BCD with only one OS does
    not need to present a menu, selecting "Windows Boot Manager"
    causes immediate boot into Windows 10. This piggish behavior
    can be stopped by using Macrium Reflect Free CD "fix boot problems"
    entry, which will put Windows 7 back into the BCD for you. While
    EasyBCD can also be used for this sort of work, it depends on which
    version you've got, as to how well it will work.

    On upgrade installs, Windows 10 does not remove other OSes. It has
    a nasty habit of creating an extra 500MB partition with a WinRE.wim
    inside it. But normally, since much of GRUB uses blkid/guid, this
    does not break anything. This was not an "intentional" attempt to
    break GRUB. Microsoft is perfectly capable of erasing all the
    folders in the ESP, as any OS can, and they are simply not doing that.

    There is no need to launch everything via GRUB. You can select
    Windows Boot Manager from popup boot in the BIOS. You can also
    select Ubuntu, and chainload a specific Windows OS from there.
    That means there are at least two ways to launch a Windows OS.
    But you are not limited to just using GRUB on a UEFI machine.
    There are two steering wheels.

    However, what you have to be aware of, is even though a lot of
    things work with GUID or BLKID, sometimes removing or adding
    a single partition, can upset something which is still using
    a partition number or a drive letter for its boot menu. In other
    words, a change you made to the disk lineup yourself, might actually
    have resulted in a boot failure.

    DATA WIN10 UBUNTU

    If you remove the DATA partition, that will break your boot.

    I think I found something in the Ubuntu folder in the ESP,
    which points to a particular partition number.

    To access the ESP easily, you can try the following.

    1) dd copy the ESP FAT partition to a separate .img file.
    The ESP might be the first partition. "gnome-disks" can help
    you get the sda1 part right.

    sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=esp.img

    2) loopback mount it

    sudo mount -t vfat -o loop esp.img /mnt/somefolder

    3) Now you can use nemo or the like, to look inside.

    My recollection is, there was some grub file in the Ubuntu
    folder, with a partition number reference. One of those
    (HD2,0) type things.

    It's been a while since I've had to reinstall grub as
    a Houdini thing. I don't use Boot Repair, because its
    track record is not perfect. There is always chrooting
    from live media. Using the keyword "chroot" you can
    usually find a list of what mounts to use.

    One of the golden rules of multiboot, is to not have
    more than the target disk in the machine, when installing
    OSes or fixing boot. This prevents inadvertent "linkage"
    to the other disk drives in the computer. You can unplug the SATA
    cabling from the excess disks, before starting your surgery.

    Paul

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  • From JJ@21:1/5 to Thomas Dewitt on Sat Mar 12 06:40:36 2022
    On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 01:08:48 -0800 (PST), Thomas Dewitt wrote:
    There are many users who have dual booting installed on their PCs. The Grub bootloader is typically used on Ubuntu systems. A recent Windows update has, however, overridden many users' Windows Boot Manager Settings. These changes prevent users from
    booting into Ubuntu after updating Windows.
    https://digicruncher.com/install-grub-bootloader-in-windows-10/
    It has been discussed how to install Grub bootloader in Windows 10 after a Windows update has overridden it.

    AFAIK, a Windows Update never touch the MBR or any partition boot record.
    Only a Windows Upgrade or a Windows Install will. In fact, all proprietary
    OSes act as if they own the system by themselves. They won't even bother checking the boot manager. Not even theirs.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Mar 12 17:04:01 2022
    On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 07:47:19, Paul <[email protected]d> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On 3/11/2022 4:08 AM, Thomas Dewitt wrote:
    There are many users who have dual booting installed on their PCs.
    The Grub bootloader is typically used on Ubuntu systems. A recent
    Windows update has, however, overridden many users' Windows Boot
    Manager Settings. These changes prevent users from booting into Ubuntu >>after updating Windows.
    https://digicruncher.com/install-grub-bootloader-in-windows-10/
    It has been discussed how to install Grub bootloader in Windows 10
    after a Windows update has overridden it.


    But this is the Windows XP group.

    There is a separate group for Windows-10.

    TD is posting via google groups, which doesn't carry it.

    Ideally, he should stop using GG (-:

    But if he's frightened by the thought of setting up a "proper" news
    client - and I know many are, so use this 'group for 7/8/10(/11?) posts
    - he should at least put something (like "Windows 10") _in the subject
    line_.

    Perhaps there is a slight misinterpretation of what's happened ?
    [snipped]
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    1. If it's green, it's biology
    2. If it smells, it's chemistry
    3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.

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