On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 01:02:35PM +0300, Brieuc Desoutter wrote:

Hum how about installing Jetbrains Android studio (via the jetbrains
toolbox
https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/)

It has a funny license, though. Source is free, binaries aren't.

Cheers
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On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 02:01:34PM +0200, Csányi Pál wrote:

Csányi Pál <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 11:13):

Hi,

on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps.

I would follow the advice on these websites: https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools
and
https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps

Following the latter web page, the following command cannot be
executed on Debian 12:
apt install android-sdk-platform-23

because no such package is in the repository!

So, what can I do to achieve my goal?> How can I solve this problem

So, following the
https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps page, I skipped
the installation of the android-sdk-platform-23 package, because it is
not in the package repository.

But I ran the following commands:

$ mkdir ~/Git
$ cd ~/Git
$ git clone https://gitlab.com/Matrixcoffee/hello-world-debian-android.git
$ cd hello-world-debian-android
$ make

You are obviously missing one or more packages. In this thread,
there were some hints on how to find out which.

and when I ran make I got the following error message:

aapt package -f -m -J src -S res -M AndroidManifest.xml -I /usr/lib/android-sdk/platforms/android-23/android.jar
asset W 05-20 10:57:00 68768 68768 Asset path /usr/lib/android-sdk/platforms/android-23/android.jar is neither a
directory nor file (type=1).
ERROR: Asset package include '/usr/lib/android-sdk/platforms/android-23/android.jar' not found.
make: *** [Makefile:31: src/coffee/source/helloworld/R.java] Error 1

I'd try installing one or more of the packages you see when doing
"apt search android-platform". That said, apt-file-search doesn't
find a file named "android.jar", so there might be something else
amiss.

My hunch is that the "-23" in your package name hints at a version
number which might be obsolete. But I don't know.

Cheers
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On 20/05/2025 09:01, Csányi Pál wrote:

Well, then, what is the solution to this problem?
It is important that I follow the goal stated on the above website:
"building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools
already available in Debian."

You're really making your life much harder by not using Android Studio,
but if you really want, here are some pointers (untested):

- The mentioned packages are available in unstable (and oldstable), but
they're very old, so I wouldn't bother.
- You can download the platform tools directly from https://developer.android.com/tools/releases/platform-tools , and from
there download a SDK.


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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
[email protected]

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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI (HE12025-05-20):

You're really making your life much harder by not using Android Studio, but if you really want, here are some pointers (untested):

Making one's life harder on the short term by refusing to use an
all-integrated monster is usually a good investment.

- The mentioned packages are available in unstable (and oldstable), but they're very old, so I wouldn't bother.
- You can download the platform tools directly from https://developer.android.com/tools/releases/platform-tools , and from there download a SDK.

I have asked the help of an AI a month ago to let me compile a new
Android app on Debian with pure command line, these are the notes I
took:

sudo apt-get install google-android-cmdline-tools-19.0-installer google-android-emulator-installer
sdkmanager "platforms;android-34" "build-tools;34.0.0"
export ANDROID_HOME=/usr/lib/android-sdk
export PATH=$PATH:$ANDROID_HOME/cmdline-tools/5.0/bin:$ANDROID_HOME/platform-tools
sdkmanager "system-images;android-33;google_apis;x86_64"
avdmanager create avd -n Pixel_7A_x86_64 \
-k "system-images;android-33;google_apis;x86_64" \
-d pixel_7
emulator -avd Pixel_7A_x86_64 -no-boot-anim -gpu off

Regards,

--
Nicolas George

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Csányi Pál <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android
apps.

I would follow the advice on these websites: https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools
and
https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps

Following the latter web page, the following command cannot be
executed on Debian 12:
apt install android-sdk-platform-23

because no such package is in the repository!

So, what can I do to achieve my goal?
How can I solve this problem?

--
Best wishes by Pál Csányi!

It seems you've encountered an obsolete wiki page (at the bottom it
says "AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps (last modified 2022-10-31
14:03:10)" ). The subject is being discussed in another thread at the
moment, but you can edit the wiki page to bring it up to date if you
wish. See https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki

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Please do update the wiki so that when I (and others) come to do the
same (which I'm planning to do soon) we can benefit from your learning.

Thanks,
Alex

On 21/05/25 04:46, Csányi Pál wrote:

<[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 14:35):

On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 02:01:34PM +0200, Csányi Pál wrote:

Csányi Pál <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 11:13):

Hi,

on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps. >>>>
I would follow the advice on these websites:
https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools
and
https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps

Following the latter web page, the following command cannot be
executed on Debian 12:
apt install android-sdk-platform-23

because no such package is in the repository!

So, what can I do to achieve my goal?> How can I solve this problem

So, following the
https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps page, I skipped
the installation of the android-sdk-platform-23 package, because it is
not in the package repository.

But I ran the following commands:

$ mkdir ~/Git
$ cd ~/Git
$ git clone https://gitlab.com/Matrixcoffee/hello-world-debian-android.git >>> $ cd hello-world-debian-android
$ make

You are obviously missing one or more packages. In this thread,
there were some hints on how to find out which.

and when I ran make I got the following error message:

aapt package -f -m -J src -S res -M AndroidManifest.xml -I
/usr/lib/android-sdk/platforms/android-23/android.jar
asset W 05-20 10:57:00 68768 68768 Asset path
/usr/lib/android-sdk/platforms/android-23/android.jar is neither a
directory nor file (type=1).
ERROR: Asset package include
'/usr/lib/android-sdk/platforms/android-23/android.jar' not found.
make: *** [Makefile:31: src/coffee/source/helloworld/R.java] Error 1

I'd try installing one or more of the packages you see when doing
"apt search android-platform". That said, apt-file-search doesn't
find a file named "android.jar", so there might be something else
amiss.

My hunch is that the "-23" in your package name hints at a version
number which might be obsolete. But I don't know.

Thank you very much, there is now a little progress here!

I found several packages in the debian package repository:

...
google-android-platform-21-installer/stable 21+r2.1675172738 all google-android-platform-22-installer/stable 22+r2.1675172738 all google-android-platform-23-installer/stable 23+r3.1675172738 all google-android-platform-24-installer/stable 24+r2.1675172738 all
...

and of course I installed the
google-android-platform-23-installer/stable 23+r3.1675172738 all
debian package .

Now the make command above will find the android.jar file,
but I get another error message:
make: /usr/lib/android-sdk/build-tools/debian/dx: No such file or directory . So I must install google-android-build-tools-23.0.3-installer debian
package too.

To run make successfully, I just had to change the apksigner command
to the signapk command, since the apksigner package is no longer in
the debian package repository.
What remains is to edit the Makefile so that the signapk can do its job.
Then I hope I can successfully create this apk file.

Thank you all very much for your help!

The only reason I wouldn't use Android Studio is because my hardware
doesn't have enough RAM: I need at least 32GB, and I only have 6GB.

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Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2025-05-20, [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:

It seems you've encountered an obsolete wiki page (at the bottom it
says "AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps (last modified 2022-10-31
14:03:10)" ). The subject is being discussed in another thread at
the moment, but you can edit the wiki page to bring it up to date
if you wish. See https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki

Up to date. I wonder what that could mean?

/s

Welcome to my blacklist as well :)

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and I can't figure out how to get the dx command, because on my Debian Bookworm system there is no such command!

Can this problem be solved so that I can access on my system only
Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian?

dx is deprecated, you should use d8, see


https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2020/02/the-path-to-dx-deprecation.html

But dx is still packaged for Debian, it's part of the dalvik-exchange
package, and works if you compile the Java code with the appropriate
flags or with an older JDK)


I've documented how to create an android package with C++, Kotlin, and
Java code without using Gradle:

https://fekir.info/post/how-to-assemble-an-android-program/

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Hello. I found this thread when attempting to follow the turorial at https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps , like the
original poster.

On 2025-05-20 at 14:40 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

My hunch is that the "-23" in your package name hints at a version
number which might be obsolete. But I don't know.

Now, that is incorrect. They chose to package only that version, and
that version is in fact available in the current “oldstable” repository.
I use sid on my personal machine, but have repositories for a few recent versions as well.

I have somthing like this in my /etc/apt/sources.list :

deb [] https://security.debian.org/debian-security testing-security main contrib
deb [] https://security.debian.org/debian-security stable-security main contrib deb [] https://security.debian.org/debian-security oldstable-security main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing-updates main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ oldstable-updates main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ oldoldstable main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib
deb [] https://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib


And no other version is available:

[luca@hennessy ~]$ apt search android-sdk-platform- android-sdk-platform-23/oldstable,unstable,now 6.0.1+r72-6 all [installed]
Android SDK Platform for API Level 23 (6.0 Marshmallow)

android-sdk-platform-tools/testing,unstable,now 28.0.2+12 amd64 [installed,automatic]
Tools for interacting with an Android platform

android-sdk-platform-tools-common/testing,unstable,now 28.0.2+12 all [installed,automatic]
Tools for interacting with an Android platform - Common files

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On 2025-05-25 at 16:30 +0200, Federico Kircheis wrote:

But dx is still packaged for Debian, it's part of the dalvik-exchange package,

It would be nice but unfortunately no, per dalvik-exchange 10.0.0+r36-4
. After installing it I see:

[luca@hennessy ~]$ dpkg -S dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/bin/dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/README.txt
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/NOTICE.gz
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/README.Debian
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/changelog.Debian.gz dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/copyright


I believe this is the relevant changelog entry:

android-platform-dalvik (7.0.0+r1-2) unstable; urgency=medium

* d/control:
* dalvik-exchange Depends on proguard
* Remove libandroid-jack-dx-java since Jack does not need it for now
* No longer build shrinkedAndroid.jar but link to libandroid-23-java
* dalvik-exchange Depends on libandroid-23-java (>= 6.0.1+r72-3~)
* Remove the Built-Using field in dalvik-exchange
* No loner Build-Depends on libandroid-23-java

-- Kai-Chung Yan <[email protected]> Fri, 09 Dec 2016 21:45:30 +0800

https://fekir.info/post/how-to-assemble-an-android-program/

--
Luca Saiu https://ageinghacker.net
GNU Jitter https://www.gnu.org/software/jitter
GNU epsilon https://www.gnu.org/software/epsilon
pEp-mail-tool https://codeberg.org/pEp/pEp-mail-tool

I support everyone's freedom of mocking any opinion or belief, no
matter how deeply held, with open disrespect and the same unrelented
enthusiasm of a toddler who has just learned the word "poo".

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On 2025-05-25 at 22:00 +0200, Csányi Pál wrote:

I see, but when I install, say, the Google's Android SDK Build-Tools
23.0.1 Installer (aapt, aidl, dexdump, dx) package, then apt, or
Synaptic package manager will remove the following debian packages:

Those “-installer” packages seem to be there to install proprietary software, which is what we are trying to avoid. They let you approach
the technical solution, but not using free software as intended.

Federico Kircheis's contribution seem the most promising among what I
have read up to this point, but I have not tried to follow yet.

It is maddening how little people seem to care about this.

--
Luca Saiu https://ageinghacker.net
GNU Jitter https://www.gnu.org/software/jitter
GNU epsilon https://www.gnu.org/software/epsilon
pEp-mail-tool https://codeberg.org/pEp/pEp-mail-tool

I support everyone's freedom of mocking any opinion or belief, no
matter how deeply held, with open disrespect and the same unrelented
enthusiasm of a toddler who has just learned the word "poo".

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On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 05:11:26PM +0000, Luca Saiu wrote:

[...]

On 2025-05-20 at 14:40 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

My hunch is that the "-23" in your package name hints at a version
number which might be obsolete. But I don't know.

Now, that is incorrect. They chose to package only that version, and
that version is in fact available in the current “oldstable” repository. I use sid on my personal machine, but have repositories for a few recent versions as well.

I was wrong, after all. Thanks for closing the loop and making us
wiser :)

Cheers
--
tomás

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On 07/06/2025 9:02 pm, Federico Kircheis wrote:

On 07/06/2025 7:12 pm, Luca Saiu wrote:

On 2025-05-25 at 16:30 +0200, Federico Kircheis wrote:

But dx is still packaged for Debian, it's part of the dalvik-exchange
package,

It would be nice but unfortunately no, per dalvik-exchange 10.0.0+r36-4
.  After installing it I see:

[luca@hennessy ~]$ dpkg -S dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/bin/dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/README.txt
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/NOTICE.gz
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/README.Debian
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/changelog.Debian.gz
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/copyright


I believe this is the relevant changelog entry:

android-platform-dalvik (7.0.0+r1-2) unstable; urgency=medium

   * d/control:
     * dalvik-exchange Depends on proguard
     * Remove libandroid-jack-dx-java since Jack does not need it for now
* No longer build shrinkedAndroid.jar but link to libandroid-23-java
     * dalvik-exchange Depends on libandroid-23-java (>= 6.0.1+r72-3~) >>      * Remove the Built-Using field in dalvik-exchange
     * No loner Build-Depends on libandroid-23-java

  -- Kai-Chung Yan <[email protected]>  Fri, 09 Dec 2016 21:45:30 +0800 >>

https://fekir.info/post/how-to-assemble-an-android-program/

I'm not sure what you are showing, installing the package

dalvik-exchange (version 10.0.0+r36-1)

brings

/usr/lib/android-sdk/build-tools/debian/dx

on your system.

I've used it for creating a working android apk, as noted.

See the output of

dpkg-query -L dalvik-exchange | grep dx

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On 07/06/2025 7:12 pm, Luca Saiu wrote:

On 2025-05-25 at 16:30 +0200, Federico Kircheis wrote:

But dx is still packaged for Debian, it's part of the dalvik-exchange package,

It would be nice but unfortunately no, per dalvik-exchange 10.0.0+r36-4
. After installing it I see:

[luca@hennessy ~]$ dpkg -S dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/bin/dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/README.txt
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/NOTICE.gz
dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/README.Debian dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/changelog.Debian.gz dalvik-exchange: /usr/share/doc/dalvik-exchange/copyright

I believe this is the relevant changelog entry:

android-platform-dalvik (7.0.0+r1-2) unstable; urgency=medium

* d/control:
* dalvik-exchange Depends on proguard
* Remove libandroid-jack-dx-java since Jack does not need it for now
* No longer build shrinkedAndroid.jar but link to libandroid-23-java
* dalvik-exchange Depends on libandroid-23-java (>= 6.0.1+r72-3~)
* Remove the Built-Using field in dalvik-exchange
* No loner Build-Depends on libandroid-23-java

-- Kai-Chung Yan <[email protected]> Fri, 09 Dec 2016 21:45:30 +0800

https://fekir.info/post/how-to-assemble-an-android-program/

I'm not sure what you are showing, installing the package

dalvik-exchange (version 10.0.0+r36-1)

brings

/usr/lib/android-sdk/build-tools/debian/dx

on your system.

I've used it for creating a working android apk, as noted.

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