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  • OT what is META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1?

    From Byunghee HWANG@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 11:40:01 2025
    Hellow there,

    For two days, i had wierd experince at Debian mailing. Actually i send
    mail to [email protected] but that did not return to my
    mailbox. At that time i did try 3 times. Then the third email was
    successful.

    After investigate, i did know something. Some spam rule was so high
    score:

    META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1=10

    Why is so high?

    For a while i did googling at debian bugs archive. There were so many
    mails within META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1. I would like to know how to bypass
    this.

    Any comments welcome!


    Sincerely, Byunghee from South Korea

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  • From Hanno 'Rince' Wagner@21:1/5 to Byunghee HWANG on Mon Mar 17 12:00:01 2025
    Hi Byunghee!

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025, Byunghee HWANG wrote:

    After investigate, i did know something. Some spam rule was so high
    score:

    META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1=10

    Why is so high?

    because spammer use some words quite often and we use these words as
    detection of spammers.

    mails within META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1. I would like to know how to bypass
    this.

    don't use these words. And no, I won't tell them here since spammers
    also use our lists to learn about our filter.

    best regards, Hanno Wagner
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    Siemens hat mitentwickelt.
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  • From Jonathan Dowland@21:1/5 to Hanno 'Rince' Wagner on Mon Mar 17 13:10:01 2025
    On Mon Mar 17, 2025 at 10:49 AM GMT, Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote:
    because spammer use some words quite often and we use these words as detection of spammers.

    Looking at e.g. <[email protected]> which has
    almost no words in it, yet has META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1=10; can you
    confirm that the rule means the sender has used said bad words in *older mail*?

    In which case, do they "age out" of this particular test at any point?

    Thanks,

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  • From Hanno 'Rince' Wagner@21:1/5 to Jonathan Dowland on Mon Mar 17 13:30:01 2025
    Hi Jonathan,

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

    Looking at e.g. <[email protected]> which has almost no words in it, yet has META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1=10; can you confirm that the
    rule means the sender has used said bad words in *older mail*?

    I can only say that you are correct, that here you have META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1=10, but you _also_ have rules in his favour,
    like the Whitelist and the Bayes-Filter.

    In which case, do they "age out" of this particular test at any point?

    Believe me, this rule won't be aging out since we still see mails
    with these keywords at least twice a day..

    best regards, Hanno Wagner
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    sich reklamiert und die Katastrophen an �die Techniker� weitergibt. Alexander Schreiber

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  • From Byunghee HWANG =?UTF-8?Q?=28=ED=99=@21:1/5 to Hanno 'Rince' Wagner on Tue Mar 18 06:40:02 2025
    Hellow Hanno,

    On Mon, 2025-03-17 at 13:28 +0100, Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote:
    Hi Jonathan,

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

    Looking at e.g. <[email protected]> which has
    almost no
    words in it, yet has META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1=10; can you confirm
    that the
    rule means the sender has used said bad words in *older mail*?

    I can only say that you are correct, that here you have META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1=10, but you _also_ have rules in his favour,
    like the Whitelist and the Bayes-Filter.

    In which case, do they "age out" of this particular test at any
    point?

    Believe me, this rule won't be aging out since we still see mails
    with these keywords at least twice a day..


    OK man, you are nice guy, thanks!


    Sincerely, Byunghee from South Korea

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