• where does the this file belong on a debian 12 uptodate amd64 system?

    From gene heskett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 22:50:01 2025
    flathub.flatpakrepo

    Tnx.

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Sun Mar 2 07:50:01 2025
    On Sat, Mar 01, 2025 at 04:42:22PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    flathub.flatpakrepo

    Nowhere.

    Cheers
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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 2 08:20:02 2025
    On 3/2/25 01:40, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sat, Mar 01, 2025 at 04:42:22PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    flathub.flatpakrepo
    Nowhere.

    And this is to indicate that flatpaks will not be accepted by debian? Installing that is one of the steps listed as a prerequisite to
    installing the flatpak version of PrusaSlicer-2.9.0 in a debian 12
    system.  There are several flatpak utils available for debian 12 in the synaptic menu. So this is confusing.  Step 3 of the prerequisite setup
    for debian 12 assumes this file will be installed properly, but actually
    puts it wherever that shell is cd'd to.  Hence the subject line question
    as to where it actually belongs.

    There is a manpage, says it could be in /home/$usr/.local/flatpak or in /var/lib/flatpak, and the rest of the stuff is in the /var/lib/flatpak
    tree. And its still not working correctly.  I'd post to the prusa forum
    but seem to have lost my pw there.

    Tnx Tomas.

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

    --
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    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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  • From Geert Stappers@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Sun Mar 2 08:40:02 2025
    On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 02:11:53AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    On 3/2/25 01:40, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sat, Mar 01, 2025 at 04:42:22PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    flathub.flatpakrepo
    Nowhere.

    And this is to indicate that flatpaks will not be accepted by debian?

    XY-problem comfirmed.


    Installing that is one of the steps listed as a prerequisite to installing the flatpak version of PrusaSlicer-2.9.0 in a debian 12 system.� There are several flatpak utils available for debian 12 in the synaptic menu. So this is confusing.� Step 3 of the prerequisite setup for debian 12 assumes this file will be installed properly, but actually puts it wherever that shell is cd'd to.� Hence the subject line question as to where it actually belongs.

    https://xyproblem.info has XY-problem described.


    There is a manpage, says it could be in /home/$usr/.local/flatpak or in /var/lib/flatpak, and the rest of the stuff is in the /var/lib/flatpak tree. And its still not working correctly.

    Original Poster wants 3D-printer-related-software on Debian.
    Somehow was "flatpak" considered an option.
    Now has focus moved away from the original challenge.


    I'd post to the prusa forum but seem to have lost my pw there.

    Acknowlegde.


    Tnx Tomas.

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.


    Groeten
    Geert Stappers
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  • From Hanno 'Rince' Wagner@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Sun Mar 2 08:40:02 2025
    Hi,

    On Sun, 02 Mar 2025, gene heskett wrote:

    And this is to indicate that flatpaks will not be accepted by debian?

    Why should they?

    Installing that is one of the steps listed as a prerequisite to installing the flatpak version of PrusaSlicer-2.9.0 in a debian 12 system.

    Why should you need this version?
    $ apt search prusa-slicer
    prusa-slicer/stable 2.5.0+dfsg-4 amd64
    G-code generator for 3D printers


    So the package is in Debian. just use the preferred package manager.

    best regards, Hanno Wagner
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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Sun Mar 2 10:00:01 2025
    On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 02:11:53AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    On 3/2/25 01:40, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sat, Mar 01, 2025 at 04:42:22PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    flathub.flatpakrepo
    Nowhere.

    And this is to indicate that flatpaks will not be accepted by debian?

    What do you mean by "accepted"?

    Your box, your rules. There is no Debian police kicking down your
    door if you *dare* to install something else on top (on the contrary,
    Debian goes out of its way to make it possible for you to tinker.
    That's why it imposes pretty restrictive rules on itself. That's
    why there are so many derivatives of it.

    But if you tinker, and break things in the way, then it's on you
    to find out what went awry. Grown-ups and that.

    You are welcome to ask help here, but then, again, it's on you to
    try to wrap your brain a bit around those willing to help you,
    instead of shooting out a question without the necessary context.

    Otherwise... you might get useless answers.

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From John Hasler@21:1/5 to Gene on Sun Mar 2 14:40:02 2025
    Gene writes:
    And this is to indicate that flatpaks will not be accepted by debian? Installing that is one of the steps listed as a prerequisite to
    installing the flatpak version of PrusaSlicer-2.9.0 in a debian 12
    system.

    Install the Debian flatpak package and use the flatpak command to
    install flatpak packages such as PrusaSlicer-2.9.0. See the flatpak man
    page for instructions on how to use it.

    toncho/~ 24 apt-cache show flatpak
    Package: flatpak
    Version: 1.16.0-1
    Installed-Size: 8025
    Maintainer: Utopia Maintenance Team <[email protected]>
    Architecture: amd64
    Replaces: xdg-app
    Depends: adduser, bubblewrap (>= 0.10.0~), fuse3, xdg-dbus-proxy (>= 0.1.0), libappstream5 (>= 1.0.0), libarchive13t64 (>= 3.0.4), libc6 (>= 2.38), libcurl3t64-gnutls (>= 7.16.2), libdconf1 (>= 0.26.0), libfuse3-3 (>= 3.2.3), libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.
    0), libglib2.0-0t64 (>= 2.80.0), libgpgme11t64 (>= 1.23.2), libjson-glib-1.0-0 (>= 1.5.2), libmalcontent-0-0 (>= 0.6.0), libostree-1-1 (>= 2020.8), libpolkit-agent-1-0 (>= 0.105), libpolkit-gobject-1-0 (>= 0.101), libseccomp2 (>= 2.5.2), libsystemd0,
    libwayland-client0 (>= 1.20.0), libxau6 (>= 1:1.0.11), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libzstd1 (>= 1.5.5)
    Recommends: ca-certificates, default-dbus-system-bus | dbus-system-bus, desktop-file-utils, hicolor-icon-theme, gtk-update-icon-cache, libpam-systemd, p11-kit, polkitd, shared-mime-info, xdg-desktop-portal (>= 1.6), xdg-desktop-portal-gtk (>= 1.6) | xdg-
    desktop-portal-backend, xdg-user-dirs
    Suggests: avahi-daemon, malcontent-gui
    Conflicts: xdg-app
    Description-en: Application deployment framework for desktop apps
    Flatpak installs, manages and runs sandboxed desktop application bundles.
    Application bundles run partially isolated from the wider system, using
    containerization techniques such as namespaces to prevent direct access
    to system resources. Resources from outside the sandbox can be accessed
    via "portal" services, which are responsible for access control; for
    example, the Documents portal displays an "Open" dialog outside the
    sandbox, then allows the application to access only the selected file.
    .
    Each application uses a specified "runtime", or set of libraries, which is
    available as /usr inside its sandbox. This can be used to run application
    bundles with multiple, potentially incompatible sets of dependencies within
    the same desktop environment.
    .
    This package contains the services and executables needed to install and
    launch sandboxed applications, and the portal services needed to provide
    limited access to resources outside the sandbox.



    --
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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 2 16:10:02 2025
    On 3/2/25 03:55, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 02:11:53AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    On 3/2/25 01:40, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sat, Mar 01, 2025 at 04:42:22PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    flathub.flatpakrepo
    Nowhere.
    And this is to indicate that flatpaks will not be accepted by debian?
    What do you mean by "accepted"?

    The proliferation of formats, all apparently intended to make one code
    run on all "linux" machines by supplying (theoretically) all
    dependencies with one bloated download has arrived, there are at least a
    dozen vpn's that all seem to take several minutes to setup anew at each
    boot, AppImages that usually Just Work, and ff without the esr is now
    supplied as a weekly updated flatpak as is the latest version of
    prusaslicer. Its supposed to Just Work. I follow the install
    instructions but can't make it work on this amd64 box. In this case the pre-requisites install fails by not specing where the "*.flatpakrepo"
    file is supposed to go. As configured here, the /vat/lib/flatpak
    directory is the top of an extensive tree that flatpak searches to see
    what is available. But with no flatpak's actually installed I have no comparisons to guide me. Hence the questions.

    On the arm64's I supposedly have FF as a flatpak and something seems to
    be scanning someplace (flathub?) to advise me a new weekly version is available, but whats installed is version 135 as a .deb, so while it
    works, its never updated. Always V135.

    Your box, your rules. There is no Debian police kicking down your
    door if you *dare* to install something else on top (on the contrary,
    Debian goes out of its way to make it possible for you to tinker.
    That's why it imposes pretty restrictive rules on itself. That's
    why there are so many derivatives of it.

    But if you tinker, and break things in the way, then it's on you
    to find out what went awry. Grown-ups and that.
    I didn't break this, the instructions for Debian pre-requisites setup
    appear to be  busted.
    You are welcome to ask help here, but then, again, it's on you to
    try to wrap your brain a bit around those willing to help you,
    instead of shooting out a question without the necessary context.
    Goto the prusa site, select the prusaslicer as a Linux download, see a
    link to the pre-requisites, click on it, step 3 will put that file where
    ever that shell is cd'd to. Not where it actually belongs. The question
    can be answered (ISTM) quite simply by searching the /var/lib/flatpak
    tree, or the ~.local/share tree. Mine seems to be /var/lib/flatpak
    version. This is apparently for multi-user systems, per user ack the
    manpage would be in ~/$user/.local/share/flatpak, but that doesn't exist
    here. Seems to me it is a legitimate question...

    Otherwise... you might get useless answers.

    Cheers

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
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  • From John Hasler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 2 17:20:01 2025
    I just now installed PrusaSlicer by installing the Debian flatpak
    package and following the instructions on the prusa site. The only
    perquisite I see is "sudo apt install flatpak".
    --
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    [email protected]
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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 2 19:40:01 2025
    On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 10:01:17AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

    [...]

    I lost track, with all those side tracks with ff and vpns and things,
    but my tentative diagnosis is that prusa broke your Debian. But then
    that's OK because you told it to do so.

    Not nice of them, no.

    Cheers
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    t

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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 2 21:40:02 2025
    On 3/2/25 13:35, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 10:01:17AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

    [...]

    I lost track, with all those side tracks with ff and vpns and things,
    but my tentative diagnosis is that prusa broke your Debian. But then
    that's OK because you told it to do so.

    Not nice of them, no.
    Agreed. 2.8.1, the last AppImage, still runs just fine, after the
    freeze/delay of course. I was hoping that 2.9.0 would address 2 or three obvious warts 2.8.1 has.  Tnx Tomas.

    Cheers

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
    If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to John Hasler on Sun Mar 2 21:40:02 2025
    On 3/2/25 12:07, John Hasler wrote:
    I just now installed PrusaSlicer by installing the Debian flatpak
    package and following the instructions on the prusa site. The only perquisite I see is "sudo apt install flatpak"

    I've done that. Where did you get the debian flatpak? Tnx


    .

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
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  • From John Hasler@21:1/5 to gene on Sun Mar 2 22:40:01 2025
    gene writes:
    I've done that. Where did you get the debian flatpak? Tn

    Debian flatpak *package*. Type

    apt-cache show flatpak

    Flatpak is the tool that you use to install flatpaks. The flatpaks
    themselves do not come from the Debian archive. To install flatpak type

    sudo apt install flatpak

    and then read the man page. After that follow the instructions on the
    Prusa site. Use sudo and do a "system" install, not a "personal"
    one so that the flatpaks go in /var/lib/flatpak and not somewhere under
    your home directory.

    I assume that there is some reason why the version of PrusaSlicer that
    is in the Debian archive is so unsuitable that you are willing to
    tolerate the shambling horror that is the flatpak system.
    --
    John Hasler
    [email protected]
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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to John Hasler on Mon Mar 3 02:50:02 2025
    On 3/2/25 16:34, John Hasler wrote:
    gene writes:
    I've done that. Where did you get the debian flatpak? Tn
    Debian flatpak *package*. Type

    apt-cache show flatpak

    Flatpak is the tool that you use to install flatpaks. The flatpaks themselves do not come from the Debian archive. To install flatpak type

    sudo apt install flatpak

    and then read the man page. After that follow the instructions on the
    Prusa site. Use sudo and do a "system" install, not a "personal"
    one so that the flatpaks go in /var/lib/flatpak and not somewhere under
    your home directory.

    I assume that there is some reason why the version of PrusaSlicer that
    is in the Debian archive is so unsuitable that you are willing to
    tolerate the shambling horror that is the flatpak system.

    I have now done that, did a sudo updatedb and found it installed in /var/lib/flatpak with all names at least 80 chars long and hashed so
    that there is no way in hell one could remember them, or which one of
    about 30 files was the actual executable.

    With AppImages you  made it executable, and made a shorthand link to it
    and off to the races, after the initial 30 second system freeze of
    course. And it was a machine manager in addition to its slicer duties.
    The AppImge contains enough webkit that you can't tell from the gui if
    watching the machine, any great diff between that annd just watching it
    with a browser like ff or chromium, with chromium being obviously 2 or 3
    times faster than webkit or FF. But you must give chromium the full ipv4 address of the machine.

    An ls -lR of /var/lin/flatpack | wc -l shows:

    gene@coyote:~$ ls -R /var/lib/flatpak|wc -l
    44889
    Nearly 45000 files for one app????

     I'll manually delete that fuster cluck until prusa realizes that is
    not at all workable. AppImages work, this does not.  Thanks John, now I
    am convinced joseph P. has screwed up. .

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
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  • From John Hasler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 3 03:30:01 2025
    There isn't any executable: that isn't how flatpak works. There's no
    need for you to deal directly with anything under /var/lib/flatpak. To
    run prusa-slicer type "flatpak run com.prusa3d.PrusaSlicer". I suggest
    making a script named prusa-slicer that executes that command and
    putting it in /usr/local/bin.

    This is all documented on the prusa site and the flathub prusa page.

    To remove a flathub package type "sudo flathub uninstall <packagename>".
    --
    John Hasler
    [email protected]
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  • From Henrik Ahlgren@21:1/5 to John Hasler on Mon Mar 3 07:10:01 2025
    John Hasler <[email protected]> writes:

    There isn't any executable: that isn't how flatpak works. There's no
    need for you to deal directly with anything under /var/lib/flatpak. To
    run prusa-slicer type "flatpak run com.prusa3d.PrusaSlicer". I suggest making a script named prusa-slicer that executes that command and
    putting it in /usr/local/bin.

    Most users will launch GUI Flatpak programs from the desktop environment
    shell rather than the command line. For instance, in GNOME, you can
    press the "Windows" key, type the program's name, and hit Enter. And
    it's just the simple name (PrusaSlicer in this case, I suppose), not the
    full FQDN package name.

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  • From Henrik Ahlgren@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Mon Mar 3 09:10:01 2025
    gene heskett <[email protected]> writes:

    An ls -lR of /var/lin/flatpack | wc -l shows:

    gene@coyote:~$ ls -R /var/lib/flatpak|wc -l
    44889
    Nearly 45000 files for one app????

    That's primarily due to the runtime (org.gnome.Platform), which indeed
    adds considerable overhead for a single application, though it is shared
    among all Flatpak apps using the same runtime. Additionally, remember
    that OSTree employs hard links to have multiple copies of the same
    file. You can investigate this by running

    find /var/lib/flatpak -links +1 -ls

    Flatpak effectively functions as container technology akin to Docker,
    but specifically for GUI applications. Unlike traditional Debian
    packacking, applications do not rely on system libraries or other
    runtime components, except for the kernel. This allows for the
    distribution of applications that function across various distributions.
    While this design has its strengths and weaknesses compared to
    traditional native packaging, it represents a notably different
    approach. See https://flatpak.org/faq/

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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to John Hasler on Mon Mar 3 08:50:01 2025
    On 3/2/25 21:20, John Hasler wrote:
    There isn't any executable: that isn't how flatpak works. There's no
    need for you to deal directly with anything under /var/lib/flatpak. To
    run prusa-slicer type "flatpak run com.prusa3d.PrusaSlicer". I suggest making a script named prusa-slicer that executes that command and
    putting it in /usr/local/bin.

    This is all documented on the prusa site and the flathub prusa page.

    To remove a flathub package type "sudo flathub uninstall <packagename>".

    Its all purged after I found the 45000 file install of what in AppImage
    is one file.

    That's so far from prime time operation it's scandalous. But the above
    s/b in the manpage, might be there but I didn't see it. The installer
    didn't accept a version #.  manpage syntax doesn't match usage. Errors
    like that are inexcusable.  But I do appreciate the help John, I learned
    a lot.  Thank you.

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
    If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to Henrik Ahlgren on Mon Mar 3 15:50:02 2025
    On 3/3/25 01:06, Henrik Ahlgren wrote:
    John Hasler <[email protected]> writes:

    There isn't any executable: that isn't how flatpak works. There's no
    need for you to deal directly with anything under /var/lib/flatpak. To
    run prusa-slicer type "flatpak run com.prusa3d.PrusaSlicer". I suggest
    making a script named prusa-slicer that executes that command and
    putting it in /usr/local/bin.
    Most users will launch GUI Flatpak programs from the desktop environment shell rather than the command line. For instance, in GNOME, you can
    press the "Windows" key, type the program's name, and hit Enter. And
    it's just the simple name (PrusaSlicer in this case, I suppose), not the
    full FQDN package name.

    the flatpak installed version never showed up in th xfce4 menu's. I did
    an sudo updatedb, then sent locate to look for it, cd'd to the
    /var/lib/flatpak directory, did an ls -r on what was a nearly empty
    directory, got many screens full of filenames. added a |wc -l and got
    448xx file names. So I removed that flatpak, which left it all behind so
    I fired up a root session of mc and removed the whole flatpak subdir
    from /var/lib. Then I had apt purge flatpak. Now I wait for trixie in
    thhe hope that I can convince it to NOT install brltty and orca just
    because the ONLY usb socket is occupied by a logitek wireless mouse
    button. They are not removable/purgeable w/o screwing up the system,
    leaving a 30 second total freeze anytime I want to open a file I own.

    digiKam won't wait so it errors out, shotwell and gimp will wait.
    Slicers in general spit out several screens full of gtk2 related errors
    at the beginning of that 30 second freeze, which i've posted at least
    twice and they've been ignored by all.  They appear to run normally once
    the 30 second freeze has expired.

    I've reinstalled 30+ times, because it wasn't rebootable once I'd killed
    orca, but now I'd have to reinvent several gigabytes of OpenSCAD work
    but I have since been told the live cd doesn't do that. So I'm stuck
    between a rock and a hard place, hoping I can do an in-place upgrade
    which will correct this if and when trixie is released.

    After my disaster with bookworm, the other of the drives that died in
    under 2 weeks spin time and started this fuster cluck, was my amanda
    storage, so I need to use this machine to save the /home/me/linuxcnc
    tree from each of my cnc'd machines. So eventually they get trixie in
    place of wheezy and they are all working BEFORE I load trixie on this
    box. Linuxcnc is 95% python, and the python2 to python3 conversion is
    now fairly complete.

    So there you have it,  hopefully the trixie installer can tell the diff between a mouses rx button and a serial adapter, I do not own a ps2
    wired mouse and Wally doesn't carry such an elderly mouse.

    .

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
    If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
    - Louis D. Brandeis

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  • From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Mon Mar 3 16:10:01 2025
    Hi,

    On Mon, Mar 03, 2025 at 09:49:30AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    Now I wait for trixie in thhe hope that I can convince it to NOT
    install brltty and orca just because the ONLY usb socket is occupied
    by a logitek wireless mouse button. They are not removable/purgeable
    w/o screwing up the system, leaving a 30 second total freeze anytime I
    want to open a file I own.

    As far as I'm aware no one has ever been able to replicate the problems
    you are having and we're not even sure if this is the root cause, so
    it's fairly unlikely that any behaviour will change with the next
    release except by chance.

    It may be worth trying out a pre-release install of it to find out for
    sure, before pinning a lot of hope on that.

    Thanks,
    Andy

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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to Andy Smith on Mon Mar 3 16:40:01 2025
    On 3/3/25 10:08, Andy Smith wrote:
    Hi,

    On Mon, Mar 03, 2025 at 09:49:30AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
    Now I wait for trixie in thhe hope that I can convince it to NOT
    install brltty and orca just because the ONLY usb socket is occupied
    by a logitek wireless mouse button. They are not removable/purgeable
    w/o screwing up the system, leaving a 30 second total freeze anytime I
    want to open a file I own.
    As far as I'm aware no one has ever been able to replicate the problems
    you are having and we're not even sure if this is the root cause, so
    it's fairly unlikely that any behaviour will change with the next
    release except by chance.

    It may be worth trying out a pre-release install of it to find out for
    sure, before pinning a lot of hope on that.

    Thanks,
    Andy

    That will get tested when I install trixie on the first of my cnc'd
    machines.  Warmer weather projects as the 1st will probably be "tlm", so
    named as The Little Monster by the folks on the emc-user list. Colder
    weather caught me in the middle of adding machine power control to it
    and there's only enough heat in that uninsulated building to keep it
    above the dew point. Being a DM-II, I don't work well when cold & old..
    But its a thought for a starting point Andy, thanks.

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
    If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
    - Louis D. Brandeis

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