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    From gene heskett@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 16 21:40:01 2025
    Back again. Using tbird on debian 12 sorta.

    About October of 2024, tbird started going out to lala land while
    updating its imap cache, never completing that task and ignoring the
    keyboard and mouse. Killall however kills it instantly.

    So I downloaded the beta version and have been using that, gradually
    setting it up with duplicate file structures for incoming mail.

    Thunderbird (debian version) has now been updated by apt or synaptic at
    least twice since, and the beta at least once. The boot menu still
    starts the debian version which quickly becomes non-responsive, quickly
    being about 30 seconds. So I killall it, and run the beta by opening an
    xfce4 shell and typing ./thunderbird/thunderbird.  And I'm still waiting
    on trixie, still have the 30 second lag to open a file, any file in my /home/gene directory, or any other file I might have permission to
    access. This delay kills digiKam, but shotwell seems to wait, so it
    eventually works.

    How do I go about straceing things to see if I can get a clue as to what
    is killing the debian version of thunderbird? Strace output is so
    verbose, any problem is lost in the noise of its verbosity. Gigabytes of it.

    Thanks all.

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
    If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
    - Louis D. Brandeis

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  • From David Wright@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Mon Feb 17 02:10:01 2025
    On Sun 16 Feb 2025 at 15:31:41 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
    [ … ]

    The boot menu still
    starts the debian version which quickly becomes non-responsive,
    quickly being about 30 seconds.

    What's the boot menu?

    So I killall it, and run the beta by
    opening an xfce4 shell and typing ./thunderbird/thunderbird.  And I'm
    still waiting on trixie,

    So why not start the beta to begin with, and leave the bookworm one alone?

    How do I go about straceing things to see if I can get a clue as to
    what is killing the debian version of thunderbird? Strace output is so verbose, any problem is lost in the noise of its verbosity. Gigabytes
    of it.

    If you're waiting on trixie, why waste time trying to debug the
    bookworm version? And why do you want to strace it if you don't
    want to look at its output?

    Sorry, I'm confused.

    Cheers,
    David.

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  • From gene heskett@21:1/5 to David Wright on Mon Feb 17 07:00:01 2025
    On 2/16/25 20:04, David Wright wrote:
    On Sun 16 Feb 2025 at 15:31:41 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
    [ … ]

    The boot menu still
    starts the debian version which quickly becomes non-responsive,
    quickly being about 30 seconds.
    What's the boot menu?
    xfce4

    So I killall it, and run the beta by
    opening an xfce4 shell and typing ./thunderbird/thunderbird.  And I'm
    still waiting on trixie,
    So why not start the beta to begin with, and leave the bookworm one alone?

    Starting the bookworm version seems to be hardwired as soon as I login
    as me.

    How do I go about straceing things to see if I can get a clue as to what
    is killing the debian version of thunderbird? Strace output is so
    verbose, any problem is lost in the noise of its verbosity. Gigabytes of it.

    If you're waiting on trixie, why waste time trying to debug the
    bookworm version? And why do you want to strace it if you don't
    want to look at its output?
    Its hundreds of pages, looking all over the system before finding
    anything. It should remember where stuff is, but does not.

    Sorry, I'm confused.

    Cheers,
    David.

    .

    Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
    --
    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
    If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
    - Louis D. Brandeis

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  • From David Wright@21:1/5 to gene heskett on Mon Feb 17 16:30:01 2025
    On Mon 17 Feb 2025 at 00:56:38 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
    On 2/16/25 20:04, David Wright wrote:
    On Sun 16 Feb 2025 at 15:31:41 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
    [ … ]

    The boot menu still
    starts the debian version which quickly becomes non-responsive,
    quickly being about 30 seconds.
    What's the boot menu?
    xfce4

    That suggests that you started it yourself, from a menu in your
    XFCE4 Desktop Environment.

    So I killall it, and run the beta by
    opening an xfce4 shell and typing ./thunderbird/thunderbird.  And I'm still waiting on trixie,
    So why not start the beta to begin with, and leave the bookworm one alone?

    Starting the bookworm version seems to be hardwired as soon as I login
    as me.

    And that suggests that you have an entry for TB in XFCE4's Autostart settings—just take it out! Or change it to the version you want to run.

    How do I go about straceing things to see if I can get a clue as to
    what is killing the debian version of thunderbird? Strace output is so verbose, any problem is lost in the noise of its verbosity. Gigabytes
    of it.

    If you're waiting on trixie, why waste time trying to debug the
    bookworm version? And why do you want to strace it if you don't
    want to look at its output?
    Its hundreds of pages, looking all over the system before finding
    anything. It should remember where stuff is, but does not.

    That's a non-answer.

    Cheers,
    David.

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