On Sat, 2025-01-18 at 19:09 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote:

On Sat, 2025-01-18 at 11:16 +0100, hw wrote:

Hi,

how can I prevent evolution from archiving emails? The last thing I
need is my MUA messing up my emails.

I have already set the archive folder in the account settings to None
but it still keeps archiving emails.

How do I disable this unwanted archiving entirely?

Right click on Inbox, Properties, Archive tab, uncheck Auto-cleanup
maybe?

Thanks, the auto-cleanup is not enabled.

Is there some kind of log file showing what Evolution does or some kind
of debugging option to create a log file? A log file might give some
insight as to why messages are randomly being moved into an archive
folder.


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On Sat, 2025-01-25 at 18:30 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote:

On Sat, 2025-01-25 at 11:46 +0100, hw wrote:

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Ok, neither CAMEL_DEBUG=filters, nor CAMEL_DEBUG=junk has produced
any output. The filtering seems to happen once a day.

I can debug IMAP, but that would only show if (that) evolution does
it and still wouldn't tell me how to turn it off.

Well, then I would make sure that no archiving settings are enabled by
the email provider.

The email provider doesn't do it. I've debugged IMAP and the log file
shows that Evolution creates the 'archive' folder and its sub-folders
right after that:


[...]
11107478 [imapx:A] IDLE finished successfully
11107479 [imapx:A] adding command, format = 'LIST "" %s'
11107480 [imapx:A] got string 'INBOX.*'
11107481 [imapx:A] completing command buffer is [17] 'LIST "" "INBOX.*"' 11107482 [imapx:A] camel_imapx_server_process_command_sync: (nil) () ~> 0x7fbf24006150 (LIST)
11107483 [imapx:A] Starting command ( literal) A03536 LIST "" "INBOX.*" 11107484 [imapx:A] I/O: 'A03536 LIST "" "INBOX.*"'
11107485 [imapx:A] I/O: '* LIST (\HasChildren) "." "archive"'
11107486 [imapx:A] got untagged response
11107487 [imapx:A] Have token 'LIST' id 0
11107488 [imapx:*] CamelIMAPXStore::mailbox-created ("archive")
[...]


(The numbers at the beginning of the lines are line numbers; stupidly
the log doesn't show any time stamps.)

You can also try to turn off one more archiving setting:

Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Preferences -> General -> Archive Mail ->
On This Computer Archive folder set to None (just in case it helps?).

Yes, I did that and before that, the folder used to be called 'archive'. However, I have other users on a different IMAP server who probably have
never set an archive folder and they also have the problem that emails
are archived. That makes it difficult for them to find their emails. I
tried it turn it off for them and checked the settings but it still
happens.

If that doesn't help, after that, I would back up Evolution Data:

File -> Back up Evolution Data...

Next, I would stop Evolution:

evolution --force-shutdown

Next I would back up (well, just in case) the directories

~/.config/evolution/
~/.local/share/evolution/
~/.cache/evolution/

and delete them.

I would also backup the entire dconf database (~/.config/dconf/), dump directory paths:

dconf dump /org/gnome/evolution/ > ~/evolution.dump
dconf dump /org/gnome/evolution-data-server/ > ~/evolution-data-server.dump

then recursively reset them:

gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.evolution
gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.evolution-data-server

Next I would create an email account in Evolution from scratch.

If that doesn't help either, then you should probably create a bug
report and/or consider changing your email client.

Thank you very much for the detailed instructions! The other users are
using fresh installs of evolution, so I can as well make a bug report
right away.

I haven't found any better client than Evolution. The only alternative
would be Thunderbird, but Thunderbird is excrutiatingly slow and has its
own quirks.

I'll see if I can make a bug report ...


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On Sun, 2025-01-26 at 18:30 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote:

On Sun, 2025-01-26 at 14:08 +0100, hw wrote:

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Yes, I did that and before that, the folder used to be called
'archive'. However, I have other users on a different IMAP server
who probably have never set an archive folder and they also have the problem that emails are archived. That makes it difficult for them to
find their emails. I tried it turn it off for them and checked the
settings but it still happens.

Okay, one last try (this is a bit of a wild one). What if you
completely unsubscribe from the Archive folder? You can do this from
the Folder -> Subscriptions menu, or by right-clicking on the Archive
folder and selecting Unsubscribe.

Interesting idea ... I could then use another MUA to delete the folder.

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I'll see if I can make a bug report ...

Also, try asking a question on the GNOME project forum [1] and/or
writing an e-mail to the evolution-users mailing list [2] — I’m
sure they’re more knowledgeable than I am.

[1] https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/evolution
[2] https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users

Thanks, that's a good idea. So far, I couldn't report a bug because I
can't make an account for that because the web site is broken.


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On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 10:35:28PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:

On 07/02/2025 12:51, hw wrote:

[1] https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/evolution

[...]

and I don't like forums.

At least the discourse instance at discuss.python.org allows to reply
through email. I have not tried to start new topics. Unfortunately it is unable to handle interleaving email quoting style. Lines started from ">"
are stripped. It is necessary to use discourse-specific markup.

Yes. I've been suffering from a Discourse instance (in another context).
I tried to participate via email and it does treat email clearly as a second-rate citizen. It clearly tries to nudge you into its Web "UI".

Luckily in my case, the forum degenerated into a write-only medium (fora sometimes have this tendency) and it was discontinued. Phew.

Communication style may be quite different, more synchronous and with short message. It may be inconvenient with traditional mail user agents.

Absolutely. There are subtleties which don't travel well (in both
directions). It's too easy to forget how much the "UI" can become
part of the message.

Cheers
--
t

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On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 06:51 +0100, hw wrote:

It looks as if I'm never gona find a fix.  Subscribing to the mailing
list doesn't seem to work, either, and I don't like forums.

There is #gnome-evolution on IRC also (on irc.libera.chat or
irc.gnome.org which points to the former).


BTW: mail archiving is disabled by default in Evolution, and has always
been AFAIK, so either you changed something or something else is doing
the archiving. Maybe something on your mail server or another mail
client (e.g. on mobile)?



--
Jan Claeys

(please don't CC me when replying to the list)

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