On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM +0800, hlyg wrote:

On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote:

The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather
than Dvorak:

= The precedent set by the first to market is powerful.

= The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment
and addicted to novelty is deadly.

Add to that extortion and bribes and a compromised legal system.

The QWERTY system was designed to slow down typists so as to reduce
the problem of jamming of keys of a poorly-designed mechanism.

is it possible to remap keyboard to??Dvorak in X Window? does anyone
use it to speed up typing?

ISO published a Dvorak standard, but it was compromised, for the top
(numeric) rows of keys were in the order 1234567890 . Dvorak has the
keys in the order 7531902468 .

For several years now, Debian has offered both the bastardized ISO
mapping ("US > Dvorak") and the original Dvorak arrangement ("US >
Dvorak Classic").

IBM manufactured a Selectric with the ISO Dvorak keyboard. This was
the original Selectric, not the Correcting Selectric II.

Back when I ran Window$, one or two keyboard manufacturers (I seem to
recall the name "Northgate") made Dvorak keyboards and even included a
set of Dvorak keycaps.

For me, a Macintosh guru changed the key mapping on a MacClassic to
Dvorak.

And long ago in Debian, with a bit of help, I managed to change the
key mapping file to Dvorak.

When in High School (A.D. 1963) I learned to type (QWERTY), the
typewriters in the classroom had blank keycaps. A layout chart was
hung on the wall in the front of the room. We learned to "touch
type," and were able to reach 95 words per minute.

I switched to Dvorak circa A.D. 1985, when I was given a project which
required much typing. I made learning Dvorak a matter of "swim or
sink." The first couple of weeks were painful, but within a month all
was well.

And when touch-typing, the labels on the keycaps do not matter. All
my keyboards are standard QWERTY.

In an office environment, the guy using Dvorak with a keyboard labeled
QWERTY has no worries about others messing with his computer.

RLH

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On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 07:55:29PM -0600, Shawn Jefferds wrote:

Your final statement makes me curious about learning Dvorak.

Shawn Jefferds
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:37 Russell L. Harris <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM +0800, hlyg wrote:
>
>On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>>The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather
>>than Dvorak:
>>
>>= The precedent set by the first to market is powerful.
>>
>>= The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment
>>and addicted to novelty is deadly.
>>
>>Add to that extortion and bribes and a compromised legal system.
>>
>>The QWERTY system was designed to slow down typists so as to reduce
>>the problem of jamming of keys of a poorly-designed mechanism.
>>
>is it possible to remap keyboard to??Dvorak in X Window? does anyone
>use it to speed up typing?
>

ISO published a Dvorak standard, but it was compromised, for the top
(numeric) rows of keys were in the order 1234567890 . Dvorak has the
keys in the order 7531902468 .

For several years now, Debian has offered both the bastardized ISO
mapping ("US > Dvorak") and the original Dvorak arrangement ("US >
Dvorak Classic").

IBM manufactured a Selectric with the ISO Dvorak keyboard. This was
the original Selectric, not the Correcting Selectric II.

Back when I ran Window$, one or two keyboard manufacturers (I seem to
recall the name "Northgate") made Dvorak keyboards and even included a
set of Dvorak keycaps.

For me, a Macintosh guru changed the key mapping on a MacClassic to
Dvorak.

And long ago in Debian, with a bit of help, I managed to change the
key mapping file to Dvorak.

When in High School (A.D. 1963) I learned to type (QWERTY), the
typewriters in the classroom had blank keycaps. A layout chart was
hung on the wall in the front of the room. We learned to "touch
type," and were able to reach 95 words per minute.

I switched to Dvorak circa A.D. 1985, when I was given a project which
required much typing. I made learning Dvorak a matter of "swim or
sink." The first couple of weeks were painful, but within a month all
was well.

And when touch-typing, the labels on the keycaps do not matter. All
my keyboards are standard QWERTY.

In an office environment, the guy using Dvorak with a keyboard labeled
QWERTY has no worries about others messing with his computer.

RLH

I always was a good typist, but before switching to Dvorak, I hated to
type numeric material. But with the original Dvorak layout (in
Debian, Dvorak Classic) numbers are a joy.

Of course, with recent Debian systems, the keyboard mapping can
automatically change depending on the user, in which case the login
screen ought to be QWERTY; see SETTINGS MANAGER > KEYBOARD.

RLH

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Russell L. Harris wrote:
...

When in High School (A.D. 1963) I learned to type (QWERTY), the
typewriters in the classroom had blank keycaps. A layout chart was
hung on the wall in the front of the room. We learned to "touch
type," and were able to reach 95 words per minute.

i flunked typing in Jr. High school, i had a problem with
the teacher but also hated manual typewriters. little did i
know that a handful of years later i'd be spending many hours
in a computer lab typing on keypunches and other layouts.

i ended up learning how to touch type, but it did take some
time. but i did learn. i'm sure i've got my ten thousand
hours or more by now.


...

And when touch-typing, the labels on the keycaps do not matter. All
my keyboards are standard QWERTY.

true, i'm typing on a keyboard that has no visible labels
on the keys unless i turn on the LED lights which shine
through the keys to light them up. it helps that there are
the bumps on the home row keys and the number 5 on the
number pad.

In an office environment, the guy using Dvorak with a keyboard labeled
QWERTY has no worries about others messing with his computer.

:)


songbird

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