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    From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Van Snyder on Thu Jul 18 20:00:01 2024
    On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 10:41:50AM -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 2024-07-18 at 07:55 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

    HOW did you upgrade? Did you go via 11?

    Fresh install on reformatted boot and root partitions.


    OK

    I can't do that with my old Dell Vostro 1700 because the NVidia
    graphics chip is soldered to the motherboard, and it needs the 340 driver, which is also no longer available.

    One chipset.

    If it *just* has Nvidia - at this point, use Nouveau - stop trying to
    use Nvidia drivers on old hardware and that Dell is 2008 vintage?

    I gave up trying to install the NVidia 340 driver on Debian 12.5. If
    the rendering is unbearably slow, I'll revert to Debian 10.


    Please *don't* do that. Debian 10 is out of security support. Debian 11
    will receive a final security update on 31st August as it transitions
    to Freexian and LTS. Please use Debian stable wherever feasible.

    Software movces on - the very latest Nvidia drivers are "more free"
    but
    also incorporate entire RISC-V chipsets on board the latest cards.


    These are the very latest cards for a desktop/workstation.

    I can't upgrade a soldered-in chip.


    So just use Nouveau already on a ~15 year old laptop.

    All the very best, as ever,

    Andy Cater
    ([email protected])

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  • From Felix Miata@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 18 20:50:01 2024
    Andrew M.A. Cater composed on 2024-07-18 17:51 (UTC):

    So just use Nouveau already on a ~15 year old laptop.

    FTR, technically not a good recommendation. Nouveau has multiple meanings. Employing each individual meaning generally is suboptimal, as it includes the "reverse-engineered, experimental" nouveau DDX display driver from the .deb xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, when the default DIX display driver, modesetting, which is newer technology (though over a decade old), and neither reverse-engineered nor experimental, would otherwise be employed.

    To use the modesetting DIX display driver, the nouveau kernel module is required.
    libdrm-nouveau2 is normally a must as well, as is libgl1-mesa-dri, which provides
    nouveau_dri.so.
    --
    Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
    based on faith, not based on science.

    Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

    Felix Miata

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  • From Gary Dale@21:1/5 to Andrew M.A. Cater on Thu Jul 18 22:00:01 2024
    On 2024-07-18 13:51, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
    On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 10:41:50AM -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 2024-07-18 at 07:55 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
    HOW did you upgrade? Did you go via 11?

    Fresh install on reformatted boot and root partitions.

    OK

    I can't do that with my old Dell Vostro 1700 because the NVidia
    graphics chip is soldered to the motherboard, and it needs the 340
    driver, which is also no longer available.

    One chipset.

    If it *just* has Nvidia - at this point, use Nouveau - stop trying to
    use Nvidia drivers on old hardware and that Dell is 2008 vintage?
    I gave up trying to install the NVidia 340 driver on Debian 12.5. If
    the rendering is unbearably slow, I'll revert to Debian 10.

    Please *don't* do that. Debian 10 is out of security support. Debian 11
    will receive a final security update on 31st August as it transitions
    to Freexian and LTS. Please use Debian stable wherever feasible.

    Software movces on - the very latest Nvidia drivers are "more free"
    but
    also incorporate entire RISC-V chipsets on board the latest cards.
    These are the very latest cards for a desktop/workstation.

    I can't upgrade a soldered-in chip.

    So just use Nouveau already on a ~15 year old laptop.

    All the very best, as ever,

    Andy Cater
    ([email protected])


    I've been using Debian 12 (Bookworm) on my notebook for the past year
    without issues. It does require the NVidia drivers for the external
    display to work - something to do with the on-board AMD graphics chipset apparently.

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