My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.

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On 07/09/2024 08:25 AM, Michel Verdier wrote:

On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?

For usenet you can search the active file of your server.
I was using news.eternal-september.org
Subscribe to some groups and see if someone respond. But usenet is almost dead nowadays :/

<chuckle>
I've been on eternal-september for some time and find comp.editors
contributors giving good information. But, as you said, USENET activity
is marginal. Also no Kate users active on that list.

When posting, I assumed a mailing list would be the more likely
solution. I just don't know how to find suitable list.

Thanks for trying.

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On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?

For usenet you can search the active file of your server.
I was using news.eternal-september.org
Subscribe to some groups and see if someone respond. But usenet is almost
dead nowadays :/

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On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:

When posting, I assumed a mailing list would be the more likely solution. I just don't know how to find suitable list.

Did you try the general KDE mailinglist? https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde

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On tis, 2024/07/09 at 07:55:28 GMT, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

I was going to suggest comp.editors, but then I recognised your name. :-D

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.

In general, I leverage presearch or duckduckgo to find something,
anything, pertinent relating to what I am researching. If I find a good resource, I bookmark it so that I have it to hand.

Usenet is rather quiet these days, something I hope will change once
people tire of web-forums that is more preoccupied with showing you ads
than they are solving your problem. Also, Usenet is older, so Kate is
perhaps too modern for there to be a dedicated usenet group for it. You
could check in one of the news.* groups if there is any objection to
creating a comp.editors.kate group. The tricky part is that every usenet
server out there needs to be told there is a new group and then take
action to start carrying it. It could take weeks, or months, before a new
group have proper reach.

Mailing lists, well.. You could ask Debian Project nicely if they would
create a list for the audience you seek if there isn't one already. Or
check with the KDE project if they have a dedicated list for Kate and if
not, would they be happy to create one?

Personally, I am happy that you at least considered Usenet as a route to potentially receive help. Not many these days would have. If the group
gets created, I will carry it on my little server.

--
Kind regards,

/S

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On 9/7/24 22:06, Sirius wrote:

On tis, 2024/07/09 at 07:55:28 GMT, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

<snip>

Mailing lists, well.. You could ask Debian Project nicely if they would create a list for the audience you seek if there isn't one already. Or
check with the KDE project if they have a dedicated list for Kate and if
not, would they be happy to create one >

If you want to create a mailing list, yourself, with free hosting (for
up to 100 subscribers), you might want to investigate groups.io; https://groups.io where mailing lists can be set up for most topics.

Users' mailing lists exist there for Thunderbird and Firefox, and,
mailing lists are relatively easy to create and maintain, there.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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Sirius writes:

Usenet is rather quiet these days, something I hope will change once
people tire of web-forums that is more preoccupied with showing you
ads than they are solving your problem.

Not as long as browsers fail to support it and the myth that it cannot
handle anything but plain text persists. That's a Big Eight rule, not a limitation on the software. It is obsolete and should be dropped. It
doesn't even apply to the alt hierarchy.

NNTP is a peer-to-peer protocol: you also don't need centralized
servers. In the old days it took a T1 and a VAX but now anyone with a
laptop, a fixed IP (or IPV6) and Starlink or fiber could outperform
IHNP4.

I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could.
Even easier might be a browser plugin.
--
John Hasler
[email protected]
Elmwood, WI USA

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On 07/09/2024 09:06 AM, Sirius wrote:

On tis, 2024/07/09 at 07:55:28 GMT, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

I was going to suggest comp.editors, but then I recognised your name. :-D

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.

In general, I leverage presearch or duckduckgo to find something,
anything, pertinent relating to what I am researching. If I find a good resource, I bookmark it so that I have it to hand.

Usenet is rather quiet these days, something I hope will change once
people tire of web-forums that is more preoccupied with showing you ads
than they are solving your problem. Also, Usenet is older, so Kate is
perhaps too modern for there to be a dedicated usenet group for it. You
could check in one of the news.* groups if there is any objection to
creating a comp.editors.kate group. The tricky part is that every usenet server out there needs to be told there is a new group and then take
action to start carrying it. It could take weeks, or months, before a new group have proper reach.

Mailing lists, well.. You could ask Debian Project nicely if they would create a list for the audience you seek if there isn't one already. Or
check with the KDE project if they have a dedicated list for Kate and if
not, would they be happy to create one?

Personally, I am happy that you at least considered Usenet as a route to potentially receive help. Not many these days would have. If the group
gets created, I will carry it on my little server.

USENET is the first place I go. I'm so old that I used an acoustic
coupler when connecting to a RBBS with my CPM system ;}

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On 07/09/2024 12:25 PM, [email protected] wrote:

Richard Owlett <[email protected]> wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
for KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.

Did you look at https://kate-editor.org/support/ ?

That give a link to the developers' list. Browsing its archives was not encouraging.

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Richard Owlett <[email protected]> wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
for KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.

Did you look at https://kate-editor.org/support/ ?

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On 07/09/2024 08:59 AM, Michel Verdier wrote:

On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:

When posting, I assumed a mailing list would be the more likely solution. I >> just don't know how to find suitable list.

Did you try the general KDE mailinglist? https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde

I don't recall having seen that site. I did a duckduckgo search of its
archives and got a few hits. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

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On 07/09/2024 12:30 PM, Van Snyder wrote:

On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 07:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

This is somewhat tangential to the main question, but I find that nedit
has everything I need. If you can't find a forum for Kate, try using
nedit. Maybe it already does what you want to discuss.

Its sort of the opposite situation. Kate is doing so well for me as a
newbie user that one would think it was designed with my project in
mind. I just want to fully exploit it. The manual is not that great.

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On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 07:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

This is somewhat tangential to the main question, but I find that nedit
has everything I need. If you can't find a forum for Kate, try using
nedit. Maybe it already does what you want to discuss.




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On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 18:20:01 +0200, John Hasler <[email protected]>
wrote:

I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could.
Even easier might be a browser plugin.

The Pan newsreader does the job nicely and is about as graphical
as you'd want to get. Although I normally use slrn for Usenet,
I switch to Pan when downloading from binaries groups. It knits
together multi-part binaries posts (e.g. with yEnc encoding),
and has a nice mechanism for queueing multiple downloads.
I've probably downloaded a terabyte or two with it.

http://pan.rebelbase.com

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as
\ / <[email protected]d> | the first society that wouldn't
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't
/ \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt
Vonnegut

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On 7/9/24 16:32, [email protected] wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 18:20:01 +0200, John Hasler <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could.
Even easier might be a browser plugin.

The Pan newsreader does the job nicely and is about as graphical
as you'd want to get.  Although I normally use slrn for Usenet,
I switch to Pan when downloading from binaries groups.

Agreed, when I did Usenet I used Pan for binaries and trn for text.

--
Scientist A: A matterbaby is a very unstable particle.
Scientist B: What's a matterbaby?
Scientist A: I'm doing fine honey, how you doing? -- mrshowrules on Fark

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On 07/09/2024 06:01 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 12:51 PM Richard Owlett <[email protected]> wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.

Michel Verdier provided a good suggestion with <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde>.

Yes. I did a duckduckgo search of the archives and found some Kate
related posts. None for a few years. I haven't had a chance yet to read
those posts.
I have subscribed.

Reddit communities are another source of support. r/kde looks like it
has Kate related discussions.

My browser is SeaMonkey and have it configured for my needs.
I haven't yet found a compatible usable browser viewed forum.
Part of the reason I specified "mailing list or USENET group" ;}

I prefer Reddit over Stack Exchange. I find the Stack Exchange is
mostly full of low quality crap.

Jeff

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