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  • MoinMoin wikis and Debian 11+

    From Greg Wooledge@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 20 13:30:03 2024
    As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering
    what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do. (This includes <https://wiki.debian.org/> as near as I can see from SystemInfo.)

    MoinMoin 1.x requires Python2, and Debian 11 and newer don't have
    Python2 any more. They only have Python3.

    Should we install Python 2.x from upstream, build it in /usr/local,
    figure out all of the modules that are required for MoinMoin, build
    those as well, and then symlink /usr/bin/python to our local Python2?

    Or is there some path forward from MoinMoin 1.x to 2.x? (Is MoinMoin 2.x
    even a functional product?)

    Or should we burn the entire site down, migrate to some other wiki
    engine (please gods don't let it need PHP), and start all over?

    Or should we just keep running Debian 10 past end of life?

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  • From Eduardo M KALINOWSKI@21:1/5 to Greg Wooledge on Thu Jun 20 14:10:01 2024
    On 20/06/2024 08:21, Greg Wooledge wrote:
    As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering
    what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do. (This includes <https://wiki.debian.org/> as near as I can see from SystemInfo.)

    MoinMoin 1.x requires Python2, and Debian 11 and newer don't have
    Python2 any more. They only have Python3.

    Should we install Python 2.x from upstream, build it in /usr/local,
    figure out all of the modules that are required for MoinMoin, build
    those as well, and then symlink /usr/bin/python to our local Python2?

    Or is there some path forward from MoinMoin 1.x to 2.x? (Is MoinMoin 2.x even a functional product?)

    Or should we burn the entire site down, migrate to some other wiki
    engine (please gods don't let it need PHP), and start all over?

    Or should we just keep running Debian 10 past end of life?

    You could run a Docker container with a Debian 10-based system with only
    what you need for MoinMoin 1.x. At least it is more isolated than
    installing Python 2.x directly in the system.

    But it only postpones the problem (an so do other solutions). Eventually
    you'll need to upgrade to a newer version of MoinMoin or switch to a
    similar product. I am not familiar with the options, but perhaps another product can import your data.

    --
    BOFH excuse #129:

    The ring needs another token

    Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
    [email protected]

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  • From Dan Ritter@21:1/5 to Greg Wooledge on Thu Jun 20 14:10:01 2024
    Greg Wooledge wrote:
    As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering
    what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do. (This includes <https://wiki.debian.org/> as near as I can see from SystemInfo.)

    ...

    Or should we burn the entire site down, migrate to some other wiki
    engine (please gods don't let it need PHP), and start all over?


    https://gitlab.com/anarcat/moin2iki/ converts moinmoin to
    ikiwiki. ikiwiki ( https://ikiwiki.info/ ) is written
    in Perl, not PHP, and is packaged in Debian 12.

    -dsr-

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  • From Richard Hector@21:1/5 to Greg Wooledge on Sun Jun 23 11:20:01 2024
    On 20/06/24 23:21, Greg Wooledge wrote:
    As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering
    what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do. (This includes <https://wiki.debian.org/> as near as I can see from SystemInfo.)

    MoinMoin 1.x requires Python2, and Debian 11 and newer don't have
    Python2 any more. They only have Python3.

    Interesting. Python Wiki uses MoinMoin too - presumably on an
    unsupported python ... one might have thought that the python community
    would have sufficiently motivated python devs to get moin2 sorted. I
    wonder what their plans are?

    Richard (who endlessly postpones choosing a wiki due to this and similar issues)

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