For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both.
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate >> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
quitting one actually quits both.
How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something?
How do you quit one of them? Do you click an X or similar widget in
the window manager decorations, or do you use something like "File ->
Exit" from a menu?
.
I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a
heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.
On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the >>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate >>> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
quitting one actually quits both.
How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking
something?
On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both.
How do you launch it?� Are you clicking something?� Are you DOUBLE-clicking
something?
A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, [email protected] wrote:I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click
On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the >>>>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but >>>>> quitting one actually quits both.
How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking
something?
I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and
sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This
is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons.
Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try.
To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try
running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the
xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release
event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of
the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 >separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of
working, but quitting one actually quits both.
If I click anyplace outside this composer window, it put this composer >window behind both gui's and to re-find the composer window, I have to
move both gui's off it to find the composer window again. Frustrating
and inconvenient as can be.
I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a heck
of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff?
Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.
Anybody have a clue whats going on?
Thanks for any advice that works.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -040032 gigs of memory. But the constraint is a 30-45 second delay in opening
gene heskett <[email protected]> wrote:
I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a
heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff?
Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.
You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than
gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run
several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained
by memory or other resources.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400
gene heskett <[email protected]> wrote:
I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a
heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.
You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than
gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run
several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained
by memory or other resources.
On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies
of the
gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2
separate
workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but >>>> quitting one actually quits both.
How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you
DOUBLE-clicking
something?
Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
--So has the /n,-,-," "/n sig separater.
My signature has gone AWOL again.
.
Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same old same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other.
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, [email protected] wrote:nothing registers on the xev screen but the bacckground terminal goes
On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the >>>>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but >>>>> quitting one actually quits both.
How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking
something?
I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and
sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This
is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons.
Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try.
To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try
running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the
xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release
event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's
held down.
.
aptitude purge '?and(~i ?tag(suite::kde))'I thought it was installed, but apparently is not.
On Tue 16 Apr 2024 at 01:20:03 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, [email protected] wrote:I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click
On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and
On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. >>>
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but >>>>>>> quitting one actually quits both.
How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking
something?
sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This
is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons.
Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. >>>Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try.
To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try
running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the
xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release
event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's
speed, also is available, for adjusting the mouse click speed.
I don't think double-click speed can be used to debounce the mouse
button, because it lengthens the time interval that two clicks are interpreted as a double-click. It can't turn two quick clicks into
a single click.
I have a mouse that can turn one long press into two clicks: what's
happening is that the wire loses continuity for a moment. I can see
the xconsole logging a "New" USB device being connected, as it occurs.
When it's bad, moving the mouse produces a stream of such logs.
But I would recommend Gene start tbird from a command line, to
distinguish a tbird configuration fault from a menu action fault.
Cheers,
David.
.
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 03:10:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
[...]
Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. >>>Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same old >> same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other.
This, at least, rules out the mouse.
OK, asking my favourite search thingy (spoiler: it's not that one
with the big G) for 'thunderbird "two windows"' yields a couple of
promising hits (no time to peruse them right now, sorry):
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/thunderbird-two-windows-workaround/154069
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531588
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1962329
https://blog.ueffing.net/post/2018/03/24/thunderbird-starts-with-two-window-instances/
At least, you don't seem to be the only one having the fun :)Thanks Tomas.
HTH
32 gigs of memory. But the constraint is a 30-45 second delay in opening a new
write path to nv storage. This totally disables digikam's ability to import
Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of
the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of
working, but quitting one actually quits both.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes the
other one also close.
I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same
result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's Exit
menu choice.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes
the other one also close.
I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same
result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's
Exit menu choice.
What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In
my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the
File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.)
On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes
the other one also close.
I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's
Exit menu choice.
From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report [...]
On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes
the other one also close.
I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same
result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's
Exit menu choice.
From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good number of
years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed.
What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In
my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the
File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.)
Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely (by
any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it will come
up with only one window.
The situation appears to be triggered by doing one of the UI actions
that causes Thunderbird to open a new "main" window - which can happen
by accident, e.g. by trying to detach a tab from the main Thunderbird
window (which apparently doesn't open a new window with just that tab,
but rather opens an entire new main Thunderbird window with the contents
of that tab active). That in turn can (I would expect) be done
accidentally by trying to drag a tab to a new position in the tab bar,
but unintentionally dropping it at a place which is instead treated as outside of the window.
On 2024-04-15, gene heskett <[email protected]> wrote:From scratch, including a text entry in a shell.
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of
the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2
separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of
working, but quitting one actually quits both.
Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
.
On 4/16/24 10:22, Curt wrote:
On 2024-04-15, gene heskett <[email protected]> wrote:From scratch, including a text entry in a shell.
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of
the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2
separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of
working, but quitting one actually quits both.
Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
.
On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
In his original message, he claimed that closing one window
makes the other one also close.
I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the
same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the
application's Exit menu choice.
From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked
to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good
number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully
fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed.
What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one
of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File ->
Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near
the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut
Ctrl+W.)
Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely
(by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it
will come up with only one window.
Thank you, that fixed it!
On 2024-04-16 at 16:56, gene heskett wrote:
On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
In his original message, he claimed that closing one window
makes the other one also close.
I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the
same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the
application's Exit menu choice.
From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked
to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good
number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully
fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed.
What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one
of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File ->
Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near
the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut
Ctrl+W.)
Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely
(by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it
will come up with only one window.
Thank you, that fixed it!
You're welcome.
Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the
links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this
advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in
different terms before I got to it.
All I did was read the discussion at the link Tomas provided, and find a different way to express it.
On 4/17/24 14:52, The Wanderer wrote:
You're welcome.
Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in different terms before I got to it [...]
Also, many thanks to those whose mother tongue is not English, for learning English [...]
Actually I'm thankful for having got the chance to learn a couple of languages. It has been a lot of fun. And also to you folks who put up
with my mediocre English.
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