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Hi,

Following Holger's no-change source-only uploads to have all binaries
built on buildd [1], a couple of RC bugs have been opened because
Maintainers email's are unreachable.

While discussing on #debian-qa how to handle those bugs on packages
without reachable maintainer, Mattia suggested to simply orphan those,
without the need of going through the MIA process. Just to be sure of
what I'm doing, I'm writing this mail as an heads-up.

After carefully reviewing all bugs, I've extracted all packages that, I believe, qualify for being Orphaned, based on:

- Maintainer email unreachable
- No substitute address found
- Last maintainer upload is over 900 days
- Not part of a Team
- No active Uploaders

I've compile all that data into the attached file packages-data.csv.

The final list of source package that would be orphaned is available in
the attached file dd-list.txt

The MIA Team might want to have look at maintainers that have other
packages (Other packages column in the CSV).

Let me know if I shouldn't process with orphaning those packages,
otherwise, I'll do so in a week.

[1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2020/12/msg00419.html
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 09:43:20PM +0100, Baptiste Beauplat wrote:

Hi,

Following Holger's no-change source-only uploads to have all binaries
built on buildd [1], a couple of RC bugs have been opened because
Maintainers email's are unreachable.

While discussing on #debian-qa how to handle those bugs on packages
without reachable maintainer, Mattia suggested to simply orphan those, without the need of going through the MIA process. Just to be sure of
what I'm doing, I'm writing this mail as an heads-up.

After carefully reviewing all bugs, I've extracted all packages that, I believe, qualify for being Orphaned, based on:

- Maintainer email unreachable
- No substitute address found

Kamal Mostafa is a DD:

https://nm.debian.org/person/kamal/

So that seems like a substitute address it should've been possible to find?

- Last maintainer upload is over 900 days
- Not part of a Team
- No active Uploaders

I've compile all that data into the attached file packages-data.csv.

The final list of source package that would be orphaned is available in
the attached file dd-list.txt

The MIA Team might want to have look at maintainers that have other
packages (Other packages column in the CSV).

Let me know if I shouldn't process with orphaning those packages,
otherwise, I'll do so in a week.

[1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2020/12/msg00419.html
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Baptiste Beauplat - lyknode

Al Nikolov <[email protected]>
goban
libdbix-class-htmlwidget-perl

Alberto Furia <[email protected]>
archmbox

Andy Shevchenko <[email protected]>
renrot

Angel Ramos <[email protected]>
cvsdelta

Antonio Ospite <[email protected]>
kboot-utils

C. Chad Wallace <[email protected]>
liblingua-en-namecase-perl

Carlos Alberto Silombria Ibarra <[email protected]>
maildirsync

Chris Grzegorczyk <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec

Daniel Jared Dominguez <[email protected]>
wsl

Dmitry Borisyuk <[email protected]>
fbxkb

Graziano Obertelli <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec (U)
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec (U)
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec (U)

gustavo panizzo <[email protected]>
numad (U)

Hamish Moffatt <[email protected]>
extra-xdg-menus (U)

Jeremías Casteglione <[email protected]>
numad

Juliane Holzt <[email protected]>
gwhois

Julián Moreno Patiño <[email protected]>
john (U)

Kamal Mostafa <[email protected]>
numad (U)

Kyo Lee <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec (U)
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec (U)
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec (U)

Leo Iannacone <[email protected]>
apt-venv

Peter Clifton <[email protected]>
extra-xdg-menus
extra-xdg-menus (U)

Petr Baranov <[email protected]>
libloki

Robert James Clay <[email protected]>
crashmail

Ruben Molina <[email protected]>
john

Valerie R Young <[email protected]>
blag-fortune

Vedran Furač <[email protected]>
aspell-hr

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On 1/13/21 1:17 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 09:43:20PM +0100, Baptiste Beauplat wrote:

Hi,

Following Holger's no-change source-only uploads to have all binaries
built on buildd [1], a couple of RC bugs have been opened because
Maintainers email's are unreachable.

While discussing on #debian-qa how to handle those bugs on packages
without reachable maintainer, Mattia suggested to simply orphan those,
without the need of going through the MIA process. Just to be sure of
what I'm doing, I'm writing this mail as an heads-up.

After carefully reviewing all bugs, I've extracted all packages that, I
believe, qualify for being Orphaned, based on:

- Maintainer email unreachable
- No substitute address found

Kamal Mostafa is a DD:

https://nm.debian.org/person/kamal/

So that seems like a substitute address it should've been possible to find?

Indeed he is, but he is "only" listed as Uploaders and his email address
isn't part of the ones marked as unreachable.

That being said, thank you for pointing this out because I made a pretty
big oversight. Indeed, as pointed out by Mattia, packages belonging to
DD or DM have to be excluded from this list. Those do have to go through
the MIA team.

So I'm adding the following condition:

- Maintainer/Uploaders is no DD or DM

And regenerating the list (cut by about half the size).

- Last maintainer upload is over 900 days
- Not part of a Team
- No active Uploaders

I've compile all that data into the attached file packages-data.csv.

The final list of source package that would be orphaned is available in
the attached file dd-list.txt

The MIA Team might want to have look at maintainers that have other
packages (Other packages column in the CSV).

Let me know if I shouldn't process with orphaning those packages,
otherwise, I'll do so in a week.

[1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2020/12/msg00419.html

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Hello,

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 09:43:20PM +0100, Baptiste Beauplat wrote:

While discussing on #debian-qa how to handle those bugs on packages
without reachable maintainer, Mattia suggested to simply orphan those, without the need of going through the MIA process. Just to be sure of
what I'm doing, I'm writing this mail as an heads-up.

Let me elaborate a bit while commenting on the list.
In particular, for DDs and DMs, IMHO it's fine to "just orphan" in some
cases, and the MIA team will eventually pick up the rest of the work.

Al Nikolov <[email protected]>

Already went through a MIA process in 2016, but guess he needs another.
Added to the list, feel free to orphan his packages in the meantime.

Alberto Furia <[email protected]>

Feel free to orphan both of his packages.

Andy Shevchenko <[email protected]>

Same.

Angel Ramos <[email protected]>

Already in a low-prio MIA list, go orphan the packages.

Antonio Ospite <[email protected]>

This one is active in other packages with the email [email protected] (assuming
it's the same person by the same name). Should probably forward the kboot-utils bug to him.

C. Chad Wallace <[email protected]>
liblingua-en-namecase-perl

I asked the perl team if they want the package, otherwise I'd propose
removal (not maintaed for 12 years, low popcon).
gregoa said he is going to take the package.

Carlos Alberto Silombria Ibarra <[email protected]>
maildirsync

one past upload was done by a person of the same name using
[email protected] - perhaps one could try to that address.
If we can't be bothered, orphan it away.

Chris Grzegorczyk <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec

This one has a tad too many packages on his name (9) which makes me
slighly unconfortable in just removing him, otoh that was 10+ years ago,
so meh (to do this cleanly we should also drop him from Uploaders of
some java packages)

Daniel Jared Dominguez <[email protected]>
wsl

When I noticed that other packages used "[email protected]" I
though that was a typo, but a quick telnet to dell.com's MX revelead
that also is "user unknown", so whatever.

I can't quickly spot other mail addresses for him, so we should orphan
them all (including uploaders).

Dmitry Borisyuk <[email protected]>
fbxkb

one single upload 6 years ago → orphan.

Graziano Obertelli <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec (U)
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec (U)
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec (U)

I now notice that's a pretty similar set of packages of
[email protected] - which let me notice that the domain is gone.
I'd ask the java team if they are interested in those not yet in the
team, else orphan.

gustavo panizzo <[email protected]>
numad (U)

That's a DD: [email protected] - just ask forward the bug to him.

Hamish Moffatt <[email protected]>
extra-xdg-menus (U)

This DD is already retired, and indeed MIA already handled him, that's apparently the last package left with his name: https://bugs.debian.org/831474

Jeremías Casteglione <[email protected]>
numad

should probably ask gfa to take it over, since he is in Uploaders.

Juliane Holzt <[email protected]>
gwhois

That's a DD. They have been inactive enough, I've added them to MIA's
list. Feel free to orphan the package though.

Julián Moreno Patiño <[email protected]>
john (U)

Last upload of this DD was Feb 2019, which kind of would make the cut
for MIA. I'm not adding him just yet, but perhaps somebody could try to
send a mail to their other address [email protected].

Kamal Mostafa <[email protected]>
numad (U)

Already in a low-prio MIA list, though their last activity is actually
nearer than the last person.
They are quite active in launchpad, so likely just mail them on any
other of their addresses (kamal@{canonical.com,debian.org}).

Kyo Lee <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec (U)
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec (U)
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec (U)

same of the eucalyptus guys above.

Leo Iannacone <[email protected]>
apt-venv

sigh... (because I personally knew this person).
They let their @ubuntu.com membership expire, so the mail alias is gone.
Please only forward the bug to [email protected] for now.

Peter Clifton <[email protected]>
extra-xdg-menus
extra-xdg-menus (U)

I'd say just orphan this, one single upload 12 years ago.

Petr Baranov <[email protected]>
libloki

one single uplaod 9.5 years ago → orphan.

Robert James Clay <[email protected]>
crashmail

That's a DM (though from what I see I believe his status will decade
after the bullseye release since he hasn't uploaded in this cycle), but
with quite a lot of packages and many uploads...
I'd say to try to forward the bug to [email protected] ; I also notified
gregoa since he seems to have sponsored many of his uploads.

Ruben Molina <[email protected]>
john

a DM.
I'm unclear how come this person is still in the keyring since I can't
see uploads from him since 2015.
I'd say orphan his packages, and the DM status should hopefully go away
by itself after bullseye.
(I asked keyring-maint why aren't they already removed).

Valerie R Young <[email protected]>
blag-fortune

another sigh since I also knew them.
However the mail rejection just mentions a full mailbox, so just try
mail them again?!
If that's all, just close the bug.

Vedran Furač <[email protected]>
aspell-hr

last upload 2006.. srly.
and what's with the popcon bump last 2 years -.-
since there is that popcon bump just orphan the package... perhaps after mailing his gmail address.

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Hi

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 09:53:04PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:

gustavo panizzo <[email protected]>
numad (U)

That's a DD: [email protected] - just ask forward the bug to him.

I assume my name end up here because I'm listed as Uploader in numad,
but above's email address is still valid and works

Hamish Moffatt <[email protected]>
extra-xdg-menus (U)

This DD is already retired, and indeed MIA already handled him, that's >apparently the last package left with his name: https://bugs.debian.org/831474

Jeremías Casteglione <[email protected]>
numad

should probably ask gfa to take it over, since he is in Uploaders.

I lost contact with Jeremías some years ago, I'll take care of numad

cheers


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Small update on those packages:

On 2021/01/17 09:53 PM, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:

Hello,

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 09:43:20PM +0100, Baptiste Beauplat wrote:

While discussing on #debian-qa how to handle those bugs on packages
without reachable maintainer, Mattia suggested to simply orphan those, without the need of going through the MIA process. Just to be sure of
what I'm doing, I'm writing this mail as an heads-up.

Let me elaborate a bit while commenting on the list.
In particular, for DDs and DMs, IMHO it's fine to "just orphan" in some cases, and the MIA team will eventually pick up the rest of the work.

Al Nikolov <[email protected]>

Already went through a MIA process in 2016, but guess he needs another.
Added to the list, feel free to orphan his packages in the meantime.

orphaned,

Alberto Furia <[email protected]>

Feel free to orphan both of his packages.

orphaned,

Andy Shevchenko <[email protected]>

orphaned,

Angel Ramos <[email protected]>

Already in a low-prio MIA list, go orphan the packages.

orphaned,

Antonio Ospite <[email protected]>

This one is active in other packages with the email [email protected] (assuming
it's the same person by the same name). Should probably forward the kboot-utils bug to him.

forwarded, with a reply. It will most likely end-up with an RM.

C. Chad Wallace <[email protected]>
liblingua-en-namecase-perl

I asked the perl team if they want the package, otherwise I'd propose
removal (not maintaed for 12 years, low popcon).
gregoa said he is going to take the package.

adopted,

Carlos Alberto Silombria Ibarra <[email protected]>
maildirsync

one past upload was done by a person of the same name using [email protected] - perhaps one could try to that address.
If we can't be bothered, orphan it away.

orphaned,

Chris Grzegorczyk <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec

This one has a tad too many packages on his name (9) which makes me
slighly unconfortable in just removing him, otoh that was 10+ years ago,
so meh (to do this cleanly we should also drop him from Uploaders of
some java packages)

forwared to the Java team,

Daniel Jared Dominguez <[email protected]>
wsl

When I noticed that other packages used "[email protected]" I
though that was a typo, but a quick telnet to dell.com's MX revelead
that also is "user unknown", so whatever.

I can't quickly spot other mail addresses for him, so we should orphan
them all (including uploaders).

wsl orphaned, request to remove as uploaders sent to the EFI team (for
all other packages),

Dmitry Borisyuk <[email protected]>
fbxkb

one single upload 6 years ago → orphan.

orphaned,

Graziano Obertelli <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec (U)
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec (U)
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec (U)

I now notice that's a pretty similar set of packages of
[email protected] - which let me notice that the domain is gone.
I'd ask the java team if they are interested in those not yet in the
team, else orphan.

forwarded to the Java Team,

gustavo panizzo <[email protected]>
numad (U)

That's a DD: [email protected] - just ask forward the bug to him.

Yeah, that's my bad, I didn't filter out Uploaders from dd-list output
of the packages with an unreachable maintainers.

adopted by gfa,

Hamish Moffatt <[email protected]>
extra-xdg-menus (U)

This DD is already retired, and indeed MIA already handled him, that's apparently the last package left with his name: https://bugs.debian.org/831474

orphaned,

Jeremías Casteglione <[email protected]>
numad

should probably ask gfa to take it over, since he is in Uploaders.

adopted by gfa,

Juliane Holzt <[email protected]>
gwhois

That's a DD. They have been inactive enough, I've added them to MIA's
list. Feel free to orphan the package though.

orhpaned,

Julián Moreno Patiño <[email protected]>
john (U)

Last upload of this DD was Feb 2019, which kind of would make the cut
for MIA. I'm not adding him just yet, but perhaps somebody could try to
send a mail to their other address [email protected].

Same as gfa, Julián should have not ended-up on this list.

Kamal Mostafa <[email protected]>
numad (U)

Already in a low-prio MIA list, though their last activity is actually
nearer than the last person.
They are quite active in launchpad, so likely just mail them on any
other of their addresses (kamal@{canonical.com,debian.org}).

adopted by gfa,

Kyo Lee <[email protected]>
geronimo-ejb-3.0-spec (U)
geronimo-j2ee-connector-1.5-spec (U)
geronimo-jms-1.1-spec (U)

same of the eucalyptus guys above.

forwarded to the Java team

Leo Iannacone <[email protected]>
apt-venv

sigh... (because I personally knew this person).
They let their @ubuntu.com membership expire, so the mail alias is gone. Please only forward the bug to [email protected] for now.

forwarded,

Peter Clifton <[email protected]>
extra-xdg-menus
extra-xdg-menus (U)

I'd say just orphan this, one single upload 12 years ago.

orphaned,

Petr Baranov <[email protected]>
libloki

one single uplaod 9.5 years ago → orphan.

orphaned,

Robert James Clay <[email protected]>
crashmail

That's a DM (though from what I see I believe his status will decade
after the bullseye release since he hasn't uploaded in this cycle), but
with quite a lot of packages and many uploads...
I'd say to try to forward the bug to [email protected] ; I also notified gregoa since he seems to have sponsored many of his uploads.

forwarded,

Ruben Molina <[email protected]>
john

a DM.
I'm unclear how come this person is still in the keyring since I can't
see uploads from him since 2015.
I'd say orphan his packages, and the DM status should hopefully go away
by itself after bullseye.
(I asked keyring-maint why aren't they already removed).

orphaned,

Valerie R Young <[email protected]>
blag-fortune

another sigh since I also knew them.
However the mail rejection just mentions a full mailbox, so just try
mail them again?!
If that's all, just close the bug.

retried, still fails with the same error. I would be in favor of
orphaning it.

Vedran Furač <[email protected]>
aspell-hr

last upload 2006.. srly.
and what's with the popcon bump last 2 years -.-
since there is that popcon bump just orphan the package... perhaps after mailing his gmail address.

orphaned,

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Baptiste Beauplat - lyknode

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