Dear Emacsen Maintainers,

It looks like a few Emacsen packages are marked as testing auto-removal
due to bug#999962[1]. It looks like this pcre to pcre2 migration is non-trivial, and the upstream of silversearcher-ag[2] seems to be silent
since Dec. 2020. The list of affected packages are in [3]. As most of
them have silversearcher-ag as an optional dependency, should it be
considered to drop silversearcher-ag support for now and wait for the
fixes or alternatives to be available before re-enabling the support?

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/999962

[2] https://github.com/ggreer/the_silver_searcher

[3]
https://tracker.debian.org/dumb-jump-el https://tracker.debian.org/emacs-helm-ag
https://tracker.debian.org/emacs-ivy
https://tracker.debian.org/emacs-wgrep
https://tracker.debian.org/rtags


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Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Dear Emacsen Maintainers,

It looks like a few Emacsen packages are marked as testing auto-removal
due to bug#999962[1]. It looks like this pcre to pcre2 migration is non-trivial, and the upstream of silversearcher-ag[2] seems to be silent since Dec. 2020. The list of affected packages are in [3]. As most of
them have silversearcher-ag as an optional dependency, should it be considered to drop silversearcher-ag support for now and wait for the
fixes or alternatives to be available before re-enabling the support?

I'm not a silversearch-ag user, but your suggestion makes sense to me.

d

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David Bremner <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Dear Emacsen Maintainers,

It looks like a few Emacsen packages are marked as testing auto-removal
due to bug#999962[1]. It looks like this pcre to pcre2 migration is
non-trivial, and the upstream of silversearcher-ag[2] seems to be silent
since Dec. 2020. The list of affected packages are in [3]. As most of
them have silversearcher-ag as an optional dependency, should it be
considered to drop silversearcher-ag support for now and wait for the
fixes or alternatives to be available before re-enabling the support?

I'm not a silversearch-ag user, but your suggestion makes sense to me.

d

Thanks David! I've prepared a merge request[1] on emacs-wgrep to
implement this idea. Would be great to have your reviews and comments.
If this is an acceptable direction to go forward I will do similar work
on other affect packages. Thanks!

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/emacsen-team/emacs-wgrep/-/merge_requests/1

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Manphiz

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Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

I'm not a silversearch-ag user, but your suggestion makes sense to me.

d

Thanks David! I've prepared a merge request[1] on emacs-wgrep to
implement this idea. Would be great to have your reviews and comments.
If this is an acceptable direction to go forward I will do similar work
on other affect packages. Thanks!

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/emacsen-team/emacs-wgrep/-/merge_requests/1

To be fair, the following issue wasn't introduced by this MR, but was
this MR tested? I got:

…
Ignoring upstream Makefile and building/installing with dh-elpa.
make[1]: Leaving directory '/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>'
dh_elpa_test
emacs -batch -Q -l package --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa\")" --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa-src\")" -f package-initialize -L . -l wgrep-subtest.el -l
wgrep-test.el --eval \(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit\)

Error: error ("Test ‘wgrep-normal’ redefined")
mapbacktrace(#f(compiled-function (evald func args flags) #<bytecode 0x1381f8c5ebae87c2>))
debug-early-backtrace()
debug-early(error (error "Test ‘wgrep-normal’ redefined"))
error("Test `%s' redefined" wgrep-normal)
ert-set-test(wgrep-normal #s(ert-test :name wgrep-normal :documentation nil :body (lambda nil (let ((wgrep-change-readonly-file nil) (wgrep-auto-save-buffer nil)) (progn (wgrep-test-fixture "HOGE\nFOO\nBAZ\n" #'(lambda (file) (wgrep-test--grep (concat "
grep -nH -e FOO -C 1 " file)) (wgrep-change-to-wgrep-mode) (goto-char (point-min)) (let* ((fn-122 #'re-search-forward) (args-123 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list "^grep" nil t)) (error (progn (setq fn-122 #
'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-124 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-125)) (let (form-description-126) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-124 (apply fn-122 args-123)) (setq form-description-126 (nconc (list '(should (re-search-forward "^
grep" nil t))) (list :form (cons fn-122 args-123)) (if (eql value-124 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-125) nil (list :value value-124)) (if (eql value-124 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-125) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 're-search-
forward)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-123)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-126)) nil (ert-fail form-description-126))) value-124)) (let* ((fn-127 #'delete-char) (args-128 (condition-case err (let (
(signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list 1)) (error (progn (setq fn-127 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-129 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-130)) (let (form-description-131) (let ((errorp132 nil) (form-description-fn-
133 #'(lambda nil form-description-131))) (condition-case -condition- (unwind-protect (setq value-129 (apply fn-127 args-128)) (setq form-description-131 (nconc (list '(should-error (delete-char 1) :type 'text-read-only)) (list :form (cons fn-127 args-
128)) (if (eql value-129 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-130) nil (list :value value-129)) (if (eql value-129 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-130) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 'delete-char)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -
explainer- args-128)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-131)) (error (setq errorp132 t) (ert--should-error-handle-error form-description-fn-133 -condition- 'text-read-only nil) (setq value-129 -condition-))) (if errorp132 nil (ert-
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error (progn (setq fn-134 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-136 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-137)) (let (form-description-138) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-136 (apply fn-134 args-135)) (setq form-description-138 (nconc (list '(
should (re-search-forward "HOGE" nil t))) (list :form (cons fn-134 args-135)) (if (eql value-136 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-137) nil (list :value value-136)) (if (eql value-136 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-137) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-
explainer 're-search-forward)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-135)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-138)) nil (ert-fail form-description-138))) value-136)) (wgrep-mark-deletion) (let* ((fn-139 #'re-
search-forward) (args-140 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list "FOO" nil t)) (error (progn (setq fn-139 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-141 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-142)) (let (form-
description-143) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-141 (apply fn-139 args-140)) (setq form-description-143 (nconc (list '(should (re-search-forward "FOO" nil t))) (list :form (cons fn-139 args-140)) (if (eql value-141 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-142) nil (
list :value value-141)Test ‘wgrep-normal’ redefined
) (if (eql value-141 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-142) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 're-search-forward)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-140)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-143))
nil (ert-fail form-description-143))) value-141)) (replace-match "FOO2") (goto-char (point-max)) (let* ((fn-144 #'delete-char) (args-145 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list -1)) (error (progn (setq fn-144 #'
signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-146 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-147)) (let (form-description-148) (let ((errorp149 nil) (form-description-fn-150 #'(lambda nil form-description-148))) (condition-case -condition- (unwind-protect (setq
value-146 (apply fn-144 args-145)) (setq form-description-148 (nconc (list '(should-error (delete-char -1) :type 'text-read-only)) (list :form (cons fn-144 args-145)) (if (eql value-146 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-147) nil (list :value value-146)) (if (
eql value-146 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-147) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 'delete-char)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-145)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-148)) (error (
setq errorp149 t) (ert--should-error-handle-error form-description-fn-150 -condition- 'text-read-only nil) (setq value-146 -condition-))) (if errorp149 nil (ert-fail (append (funcall form-description-fn-150) (list :fail-reason "did not signal an error")))
))) value-146)) (wgrep-finish-edit) (wgrep-save-all-buffers) (let* ((fn-151 #'equal) (args-152 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list "FOO2\nBAZ\n" (wgrep-test--get-contents file))) (error (progn (setq fn-151 #'
signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-153 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-154)) (let (form-description-155) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-153 (apply fn-151 args-152)) (setq form-description-155 (nconc (list '(should (equal "FOO2\nBAZ\n" (
wgrep-test--get-contents file)))) (list :form (cons fn-151 args-152)) (if (eql value-153 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-154) nil (list :value value-153)) (if (eql value-153 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-154) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-
explainer 'equal)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-152)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-155)) nil (ert-fail form-description-155))) value-153))))))) :most-recent-result nil :expected-result-type :
passed :tags (wgrep) :file-name "/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/wgrep-test.el"))
load-with-code-conversion("/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/wgrep-test.el" "/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/wgrep-test.el" nil t)
command-line-1(("-l" "package" "--eval" "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa\")" "--eval" "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa-src\")" "-f" "package-initialize" "-L" "." "-l" "wgrep-
subtest.el" "-l" "wgrep-test.el" "--eval" "(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit)"))
command-line()
normal-top-level()
dh_elpa_test: error: emacs -batch -Q -l package --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa\")" --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa-src\")" -f package-initialize -L . -l wgrep-
subtest.el -l wgrep-test.el --eval \(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit\) returned exit code 255
make: *** [debian/rules:4: binary] Error 25
dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules binary subprocess returned exit status 2

I think that's unrelated to silversearcher-ag though ;)

Meanwhile (non Emacs), if you want to fix all packages in the archive
that depend on silversearcher-ag, in one shot:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=999962#18

BTW, are you subscribed to this mailing list? In Debian we
conventionally don't CC people on mailing lists, even though we do CC
people on bugs.

Regards,
Nicholas

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Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

I'm not a silversearch-ag user, but your suggestion makes sense to me.

d

Thanks David! I've prepared a merge request[1] on emacs-wgrep to
implement this idea. Would be great to have your reviews and comments.
If this is an acceptable direction to go forward I will do similar work
on other affect packages. Thanks!

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/emacsen-team/emacs-wgrep/-/merge_requests/1

To be fair, the following issue wasn't introduced by this MR, but was
this MR tested? I got:

…
Ignoring upstream Makefile and building/installing with dh-elpa.
make[1]: Leaving directory '/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>'
dh_elpa_test
emacs -batch -Q -l package --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa\")" --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa-src\")" -f package-initialize -L . -l wgrep-subtest.el -

l wgrep-test.el --eval \(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit\)

Error: error ("Test ‘wgrep-normal’ redefined")
mapbacktrace(#f(compiled-function (evald func args flags) #<bytecode 0x1381f8c5ebae87c2>))
debug-early-backtrace()
debug-early(error (error "Test ‘wgrep-normal’ redefined"))
error("Test `%s' redefined" wgrep-normal)
ert-set-test(wgrep-normal #s(ert-test :name wgrep-normal :documentation nil :body (lambda nil (let ((wgrep-change-readonly-file nil) (wgrep-auto-save-buffer nil)) (progn (wgrep-test-fixture "HOGE\nFOO\nBAZ\n" #'(lambda (file) (wgrep-test--grep (

concat "grep -nH -e FOO -C 1 " file)) (wgrep-change-to-wgrep-mode) (goto-char (point-min)) (let* ((fn-122 #'re-search-forward) (args-123 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list "^grep" nil t)) (error (progn (setq
fn-122 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-124 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-125)) (let (form-description-126) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-124 (apply fn-122 args-123)) (setq form-description-126 (nconc (list '(should (re-search-
forward "^grep" nil t))) (list :form (cons fn-122 args-123)) (if (eql value-124 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-125) nil (list :value value-124)) (if (eql value-124 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-125) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 're-
search-forward)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-123)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-126)) nil (ert-fail form-description-126))) value-124)) (let* ((fn-127 #'delete-char) (args-128 (condition-case
err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list 1)) (error (progn (setq fn-127 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-129 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-130)) (let (form-description-131) (let ((errorp132 nil) (form-
description-fn-133 #'(lambda nil form-description-131))) (condition-case -condition- (unwind-protect (setq value-129 (apply fn-127 args-128)) (setq form-description-131 (nconc (list '(should-error (delete-char 1) :type 'text-read-only)) (list :form (cons
fn-127 args-128)) (if (eql value-129 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-130) nil (list :value value-129)) (if (eql value-129 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-130) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 'delete-char)))) (if -explainer- (list :
explanation (apply -explainer- args-128)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-131)) (error (setq errorp132 t) (ert--should-error-handle-error form-description-fn-133 -condition- 'text-read-only nil) (setq value-129 -condition-))) (if
errorp132 nil (ert-fail (append (funcall form-description-fn-133) (list :fail-reason "did not signal an error")))))) value-129)) (let* ((fn-134 #'re-search-forward) (args-135 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (
list "HOGE" nil t)) (error (progn (setq fn-134 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-136 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-137)) (let (form-description-138) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-136 (apply fn-134 args-135)) (setq form-description-
138 (nconc (list '(should (re-search-forward "HOGE" nil t))) (list :form (cons fn-134 args-135)) (if (eql value-136 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-137) nil (list :value value-136)) (if (eql value-136 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-137) nil (let* ((-explainer-
(and t (ert--get-explainer 're-search-forward)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-135)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-138)) nil (ert-fail form-description-138))) value-136)) (wgrep-mark-deletion) (let*
((fn-139 #'re-search-forward) (args-140 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list "FOO" nil t)) (error (progn (setq fn-139 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-141 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-
142)) (let (form-description-143) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-141 (apply fn-139 args-140)) (setq form-description-143 (nconc (list '(should (re-search-forward "FOO" nil t))) (list :form (cons fn-139 args-140)) (if (eql value-141 'ert-form-evaluation-
aborted-142) nil (list :value value-141)Test ‘wgrep-normal’ redefined

) (if (eql value-141 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-142) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 're-search-forward)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-140)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-

143)) nil (ert-fail form-description-143))) value-141)) (replace-match "FOO2") (goto-char (point-max)) (let* ((fn-144 #'delete-char) (args-145 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list -1)) (error (progn (setq fn-
144 #'signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-146 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-147)) (let (form-description-148) (let ((errorp149 nil) (form-description-fn-150 #'(lambda nil form-description-148))) (condition-case -condition- (unwind-protect
(setq value-146 (apply fn-144 args-145)) (setq form-description-148 (nconc (list '(should-error (delete-char -1) :type 'text-read-only)) (list :form (cons fn-144 args-145)) (if (eql value-146 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-147) nil (list :value value-146))
(if (eql value-146 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-147) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-explainer 'delete-char)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-145)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-148)) (error
(setq errorp149 t) (ert--should-error-handle-error form-description-fn-150 -condition- 'text-read-only nil) (setq value-146 -condition-))) (if errorp149 nil (ert-fail (append (funcall form-description-fn-150) (list :fail-reason "did not signal an error"))
)))) value-146)) (wgrep-finish-edit) (wgrep-save-all-buffers) (let* ((fn-151 #'equal) (args-152 (condition-case err (let ((signal-hook-function #'ert--should-signal-hook)) (list "FOO2\nBAZ\n" (wgrep-test--get-contents file))) (error (progn (setq fn-151 #'
signal) (list (car err) (cdr err))))))) (let ((value-153 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-154)) (let (form-description-155) (if (unwind-protect (setq value-153 (apply fn-151 args-152)) (setq form-description-155 (nconc (list '(should (equal "FOO2\nBAZ\n" (
wgrep-test--get-contents file)))) (list :form (cons fn-151 args-152)) (if (eql value-153 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-154) nil (list :value value-153)) (if (eql value-153 'ert-form-evaluation-aborted-154) nil (let* ((-explainer- (and t (ert--get-
explainer 'equal)))) (if -explainer- (list :explanation (apply -explainer- args-152)) nil))))) (ert--signal-should-execution form-description-155)) nil (ert-fail form-description-155))) value-153))))))) :most-recent-result nil :expected-result-type :
passed :tags (wgrep) :file-name "/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/wgrep-test.el"))

load-with-code-conversion("/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/wgrep-test.el" "/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/wgrep-test.el" nil t)
command-line-1(("-l" "package" "--eval" "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa\")" "--eval" "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa-src\")" "-f" "package-initialize" "-L" "." "-l" "

wgrep-subtest.el" "-l" "wgrep-test.el" "--eval" "(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit)"))

command-line()
normal-top-level()
dh_elpa_test: error: emacs -batch -Q -l package --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa\")" --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa-src\")" -f package-initialize -L . -l

wgrep-subtest.el -l wgrep-test.el --eval \(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit\) returned exit code 255

make: *** [debian/rules:4: binary] Error 25
dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules binary subprocess returned exit status 2

I think that's unrelated to silversearcher-ag though ;)

I don't remember seeing this (or I missed it :P) But as I mentioned
somewhere (mailing list or IRC, I forgot) it's probably easier just to
fix siversearcher-ag directly. So I'll retract this MR soon :)

Meanwhile (non Emacs), if you want to fix all packages in the archive
that depend on silversearcher-ag, in one shot:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=999962#18

It seems that the maintainer has been MIA. Do you suggest proposing an
NMU?

BTW, are you subscribed to this mailing list? In Debian we
conventionally don't CC people on mailing lists, even though we do CC
people on bugs.

I'm subscribed. Feel free to directly reply to the mailing list.

Regards,
Nicholas

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Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

To be fair, the following issue wasn't introduced by this MR, but was

[snip]

dh_elpa_test: error: emacs -batch -Q -l package --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa\")" --eval "(add-to-list 'package-directory-list \"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa-src\")" -f package-initialize -L . -l

wgrep-subtest.el -l wgrep-test.el --eval \(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit\) returned exit code 255

make: *** [debian/rules:4: binary] Error 25
dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules binary subprocess returned exit status 2

I think that's unrelated to silversearcher-ag though ;)

I don't remember seeing this (or I missed it :P)

But as I mentioned somewhere (mailing list or IRC, I forgot) it's
probably easier just to fix siversearcher-ag directly. So I'll
retract this MR soon :)

This looks probably native-comp/trampoline-related to me, so I'm
guessing wgrep advises something. No idea why why the issues presents
in emacs29 but not in emacs28.

It seems that the maintainer has been MIA. Do you suggest proposing an
NMU?

Until a package has been orphaned by the MIA team, the question is NMU
vs salvaging:

https://wiki.debian.org/PackageSalvaging
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging

If a minimal, targeted fix is possible (with a quilt patch) then an NMU
is faster, and doesn't implicate the uploader with long-term
responsibilities. The allowed changes are narrow, and strict.

If that's not possible, then salvaging the package is the only way to
save it and its reverse dependencies. Salvaging implies adoption. I
took a look at the available forks and I suspect that salvaging the
Debian package is what will be required.

BTW, are you subscribed to this mailing list? In Debian we
conventionally don't CC people on mailing lists, even though we do CC
people on bugs.

I'm subscribed. Feel free to directly reply to the mailing list.

Thanks!

Nicholas

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Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

[..snip..]

It seems that the maintainer has been MIA. Do you suggest proposing an
NMU?

Until a package has been orphaned by the MIA team, the question is NMU
vs salvaging:

https://wiki.debian.org/PackageSalvaging
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging

If a minimal, targeted fix is possible (with a quilt patch) then an NMU
is faster, and doesn't implicate the uploader with long-term responsibilities. The allowed changes are narrow, and strict.

If that's not possible, then salvaging the package is the only way to
save it and its reverse dependencies. Salvaging implies adoption. I
took a look at the available forks and I suspect that salvaging the
Debian package is what will be required.

Added a note on the bug[1] mentioning an MR with cherrypicked/adapted a
patch set from upstream branch/fork that adds pcre2 support. Hopefully
an NMU can be considered.

BTW, are you subscribed to this mailing list? In Debian we
conventionally don't CC people on mailing lists, even though we do CC
people on bugs.

I'm subscribed. Feel free to directly reply to the mailing list.

Thanks!

Nicholas

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Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

[..snip..]

It seems that the maintainer has been MIA. Do you suggest proposing an
NMU?

Until a package has been orphaned by the MIA team, the question is NMU
vs salvaging:

https://wiki.debian.org/PackageSalvaging
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging

If a minimal, targeted fix is possible (with a quilt patch) then an NMU
is faster, and doesn't implicate the uploader with long-term
responsibilities. The allowed changes are narrow, and strict.

If that's not possible, then salvaging the package is the only way to
save it and its reverse dependencies. Salvaging implies adoption. I
took a look at the available forks and I suspect that salvaging the
Debian package is what will be required.

Added a note on the bug[1] mentioning an MR with cherrypicked/adapted a
patch set from upstream branch/fork that adds pcre2 support. Hopefully
an NMU can be considered.

Seems I forgot about the link :P

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=999962#23

BTW, are you subscribed to this mailing list? In Debian we
conventionally don't CC people on mailing lists, even though we do CC
people on bugs.

I'm subscribed. Feel free to directly reply to the mailing list.

Thanks!

Nicholas

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Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Added a note on the bug[1] mentioning an MR with cherrypicked/adapted a
patch set from upstream branch/fork that adds pcre2 support. Hopefully
an NMU can be considered.

Seems I forgot about the link :P

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=999962#23

Wow, that was fast! To be honest, I'd appreciate a second opinion about
if that meets the criteria for an NMU. To do this in the fastest way
possible probably means consulting the general mentor & sponsor pool by
filing an RFS.

https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/

Did you check if enable_pcre2_support.patch looks like it might have
some new copyright statements that are not yet covered in
debian/copyright? Please note that I didn't check, but your sponsor
will expect that you have checked, and it would be best to check before
filing an RFS

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Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Added a note on the bug[1] mentioning an MR with cherrypicked/adapted a
patch set from upstream branch/fork that adds pcre2 support. Hopefully
an NMU can be considered.

Seems I forgot about the link :P

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=999962#23

Wow, that was fast! To be honest, I'd appreciate a second opinion about
if that meets the criteria for an NMU. To do this in the fastest way possible probably means consulting the general mentor & sponsor pool by filing an RFS.

https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/

Thanks for the pointer! Will take a look on the steps on filing a RFS
bug.

Did you check if enable_pcre2_support.patch looks like it might have
some new copyright statements that are not yet covered in
debian/copyright? Please note that I didn't check, but your sponsor
will expect that you have checked, and it would be best to check before filing an RFS

This patch is merged from a patch set from a fork[1] of the upstream.
On the surface it doesn't look like it has a different copyright notice
so it should be of the same Apache 2.0 license. Still it may be better
for a license expert to take another look.

[1] https://github.com/aswild/the_silver_searcher
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Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Did you check if enable_pcre2_support.patch looks like it might have
some new copyright statements that are not yet covered in
debian/copyright? Please note that I didn't check, but your sponsor
will expect that you have checked, and it would be best to check before
filing an RFS

This patch is merged from a patch set from a fork[1] of the upstream.
On the surface it doesn't look like it has a different copyright notice
so it should be of the same Apache 2.0 license. Still it may be better
for a license expert to take another look.

I understand ;) Yet you will probably need to use ripgrep or ack, or one
of the many license check programs but whatever tool you use, it's a
good habit to get into the following before proposing an upload:

cd root-dir-of-repo
ag copyright
ag ©
ag '\(c\)'

Most of the license check tools only require a single invocation, and
you might prefer their output.

debian/copyright isn't just about the logical license; we are also
expected to reproduce upstream license grants. In other words:

JOHN DOE worked on this, in this YEAR, and grants LICENSE, to
GROUP-OF-PEOPLE, under these CONDITIONS.

Sometimes "JOHN DOE" will be "TECH CORP", because the work was done on
company time/premises.

If I remember correctly, other distributions tend to only care about
LICENSE, and don't care about JOHN DOE, nor as much about
GROUP-OF-PEOPLE (ie: our DFSG no-descrimination policies).

As for facts: It looks like the Debian maintainer of this package didn't document copyright and license for the m4 stuff (your sponsor might
require this), and your patch is not work by Geoff Greer, so you'll
probably need to add Greer to the copyright file.

Best,
Nicholas

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As for facts: It looks like the Debian maintainer of this package didn't document copyright and license for the m4 stuff (your sponsor might
require this), and your patch is not work by Geoff Greer, so you'll
probably need to add Greer to the copyright file.

Gah, it looks like I wasn't paying close enough attention. "…so you'll probably need to add the copyright holder who is not Greer to the
copyright file"

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Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

As for facts: It looks like the Debian maintainer of this package didn't
document copyright and license for the m4 stuff (your sponsor might
require this), and your patch is not work by Geoff Greer, so you'll
probably need to add Greer to the copyright file.

Gah, it looks like I wasn't paying close enough attention. "…so you'll probably need to add the copyright holder who is not Greer to the
copyright file"

Thanks Nicholas! I used licensecheck and checked manually and updated d/copyright accordingly in my merge request[1]. PTAL, thanks!

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/silversearcher-ag/-/merge_requests/1

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Manphiz <[email protected]> writes:

Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

Nicholas D Steeves <[email protected]> writes:

As for facts: It looks like the Debian maintainer of this package didn't >>> document copyright and license for the m4 stuff (your sponsor might
require this), and your patch is not work by Geoff Greer, so you'll
probably need to add Greer to the copyright file.

Gah, it looks like I wasn't paying close enough attention. "…so you'll
probably need to add the copyright holder who is not Greer to the
copyright file"

Thanks Nicholas! I used licensecheck and checked manually and updated d/copyright accordingly in my merge request[1]. PTAL, thanks!

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/silversearcher-ag/-/merge_requests/1

Friendly ping.

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