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  • New option for the RMS/FSF GR: reaffirm the values of the majority

    From Enrico Zini@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 3 21:50:01 2021
    Hello,

    I think the ballot is missing an option to capture the energy that I've perceived on -vote in the last few days.

    Title: Reaffirm the values of the majority

    ============== CHOICE TEXT BELOW ==============
    Debian commits to give priority, resources, and energy, to those who
    actually get the work done in the distribution.

    We explicitly refuse to acknowledge irrelevant political issues such as misogyny, ableism, transphobia and all other similar concerns that have
    nothing to do with the technical work that is the focus of our
    distribution.

    We also commit to respecting and preserving the good name of the people
    who write and maintain the software that we use daily. Should they
    become the target of accusations that may tarnish their well earned
    reputation, we will stand behind them and refuse to hold them
    accountable for anything except the quality of their technical
    contributions.
    ===============================================


    Enrico

    --
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  • From Felix Lechner@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 3 22:10:01 2021
    Hi,

    Thank you to Enrico Zini for another unifying proposal.

    Title: Reaffirm the values of the majority

    ============== CHOICE TEXT BELOW ==============
    Debian commits to give priority, resources, and energy, to those who
    actually get the work done in the distribution.

    We explicitly refuse to acknowledge irrelevant political issues such as misogyny, ableism, transphobia and all other similar concerns that have nothing to do with the technical work that is the focus of our
    distribution.

    We also commit to respecting and preserving the good name of the people
    who write and maintain the software that we use daily. Should they
    become the target of accusations that may tarnish their well earned reputation, we will stand behind them and refuse to hold them
    accountable for anything except the quality of their technical
    contributions.
    ===============================================

    Seconded.

    Kind regards
    Felix Lechner

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  • From Simon McVittie@21:1/5 to someone claiming to be Enrico Zini on Sun Apr 4 01:00:02 2021
    On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 at 21:46:08 +0200, someone claiming to be Enrico Zini wrote:
    We explicitly refuse to acknowledge irrelevant political issues

    I was surprised to read this apparently coming from Enrico, particularly
    since it doesn't seem consistent with what Enrico has said in other
    threads regarding RMS. It turns out not to be signed with the same key.

    Key fingerprint used to sign <https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00286.html>, matching
    Enrico's key in the official Debian keyring:
    1793 D6AB 7566 3E6B F104 953A 634F 4BD1 E7AD 5568

    Key fingerprint used to sign the message to which I'm replying:
    2490 211A D036 087E 6D1D 9A92 D0FF 49CB E3F4 FB68

    It seems highly likely that the message to which I'm replying was not
    sent or authorized by Enrico, and that its sender is trying to mislead
    Debian members by impersonating a prominent and respected developer.

    I don't think passing off a message as coming from a different author is consistent with taking any sort of moral high ground (for example based
    on a position of free speech, meritocracy or opposing "cancel culture")
    and I'm disappointed to see it on Debian mailing lists.

    smcv

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  • From gregor herrmann@21:1/5 to Enrico Zini on Sun Apr 4 00:20:01 2021
    On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 21:46:08 +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:

    Hello,

    Hm?

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    Cheers,
    gregor

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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Simon McVittie on Sun Apr 4 03:20:01 2021
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:51:29PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
    It seems highly likely that the message to which I'm replying was not
    sent or authorized by Enrico, and that its sender is trying to mislead
    Debian members by impersonating a prominent and respected developer.

    IRC revealed that the key used to sign this message might or might
    not be the same as the one used to sign a message on April 1st.

    </spoiler alert>

    IOW: I do "blame" Enrico for that mail, too. I also think it was one of the best mails in these threads, by far.


    --
    cheers,
    Holger

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    ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org
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    I'm looking forward to Corona being a beer again and Donald a duck.

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  • From Matthias Klumpp@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 4 05:50:02 2021
    Am So., 4. Apr. 2021 um 00:51 Uhr schrieb Simon McVittie <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 at 21:46:08 +0200, someone claiming to be Enrico Zini wrote:
    We explicitly refuse to acknowledge irrelevant political issues

    I was surprised to read this apparently coming from Enrico, particularly since it doesn't seem consistent with what Enrico has said in other
    threads regarding RMS. It turns out not to be signed with the same key.
    [...]

    I did actually read this as satire and was quite amused by it - I
    didn't think it could have been read as a serious request until the
    first response to it.
    And writing satire is something Enrico would absolutely do ;-)

    Cheers,
    Matthias

    --
    I welcome VSRE emails. See http://vsre.info/

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  • From Enrico Zini@21:1/5 to Simon McVittie on Sun Apr 4 09:10:01 2021
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:51:29PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:

    It seems highly likely that the message to which I'm replying was not
    sent or authorized by Enrico, and that its sender is trying to mislead
    Debian members by impersonating a prominent and respected developer.

    I can confirm it was not an impersonation attempt. My previous subkeys
    are due to expire on 2021-06-03 and I've recently generated new ones.
    They should be properly signed by my master key and I have uploaded them
    to keyserver.ubuntu.com and keyring.debian.org

    Using GPG became more complicated recently with the keyserver network collapsing, and on a different venue I'd welcome a serious reassessment
    of our technical practices of certifying trust :(

    My proposal was a honest attempt at encoding in a straightforward
    proposal the gist that I was perceiving from what seemed to me like the majority of posts on -vote. I was honestly interested to see if that represented the feelings of our community at large. If those are indeed
    the feelings of the majority of a community I'm part of, it is extremely important for me to know.

    Even so, my proposal, although serious, was motivated mainly by
    frustration, disappointment, and disgust.


    Enrico

    --
    GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini <[email protected]>

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  • From Jonathan Carter@21:1/5 to Matthias Klumpp on Sun Apr 4 09:20:01 2021
    On 2021/04/04 05:47, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
    I did actually read this as satire and was quite amused by it - I
    didn't think it could have been read as a serious request until the
    first response to it.
    I would appreciate it if we could keep satire and comedy a bit dialed
    back for a but. As much as I appreciate satire and comedy, there is a
    place and time for it, for example, you wouldn't practice your stand-up
    routine at a funeral for a loved one. Also, there are classes of humor
    that's really just not appropriate, and on top of all that, many of is
    in the project are suffering from huge information overload. That is, we
    have a backlog of information that needs to be processed, some which
    will also affect the choices of both votes currently running. Adding
    more noise that is difficult to filter and interpret is something that I consider somewhere on a spectrum of insensitive to reckless.

    So, I'm please asking again that posters to the list attempt to be more
    mindful of what they consider to be humor to the list and the effects it
    may have on others before doing so.

    -Jonathan

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  • From Milan Zamazal@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 4 18:20:01 2021
    "MK" == Matthias Klumpp <[email protected]> writes:

    MK> I did actually read this as satire and was quite amused by it

    I’m not amused by it. I liked the 1st April joke, but this is not fun anymore and the fact that someone as respectful as Enrico does that
    makes me thinking about some ballot options in a different light.

    I’d like to get rid of this matter and vote ASAP but considering
    something important and related can happen in two weeks (e.g. the whole
    FSF board may resign), is it possible to change a vote later during the
    voting period? According to the constitution, 4.2.6, “The Secretary determines for each poll whether voters can change their votes.” but I can’t see this information in the ballot e-mail.

    Regards,
    Milan

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  • From Kurt Roeckx@21:1/5 to Milan Zamazal on Sun Apr 4 18:30:02 2021
    On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 06:09:53PM +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote:
    "MK" == Matthias Klumpp <[email protected]> writes:

    MK> I did actually read this as satire and was quite amused by it

    I’m not amused by it. I liked the 1st April joke, but this is not fun anymore and the fact that someone as respectful as Enrico does that
    makes me thinking about some ballot options in a different light.

    I’d like to get rid of this matter and vote ASAP but considering
    something important and related can happen in two weeks (e.g. the whole
    FSF board may resign), is it possible to change a vote later during the voting period? According to the constitution, 4.2.6, “The Secretary determines for each poll whether voters can change their votes.” but I can’t see this information in the ballot e-mail.

    The software always allows you to change your vote.


    Kurt

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