• stale manpage rename.ul in manpages-{de,fr}?

    From Martin Schulte@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 12:40:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.l10n.german

    Hello French and German l10n-maintainers,

    there's no rename installed with util-linux in Debian 11, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926637 explains why.

    But still there are French and German manpages in the according packages, I consider this an error – at least it is confusing.

    Best regards,

    Martin

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Helge Kreutzmann@21:1/5 to Martin Schulte on Thu Mar 9 16:50:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.l10n.german

    This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages.

    Hello Martin,
    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 11:38:00AM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    Hello French and German l10n-maintainers,

    there's no rename installed with util-linux in Debian 11, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926637 explains why.

    But still there are French and German manpages in the according packages, I consider this an error – at least it is confusing.

    Could you kindly be more precise? Which version of manpages-de do you
    have installed?

    I just checked our sources and $ dpkg -L manpages-de|grep rename /usr/share/man/de/man1/rename.ul.1.gz

    So at least in testing everything is fine.

    Note that manpages-l10n takes great care to only translate man pages
    which are available in the respective distribution (but not
    necessarily on your specific system).

    Greetings

    Helge

    --
    Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected]
    Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php
    64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred
    Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/

    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

    iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEbZZfteMW0gNUynuwQbqlJmgq5nAFAmQJ/sAACgkQQbqlJmgq 5nBwWQ/9EkW6trlxtseWvU0XDdMrwhDLc+8MP/q1j9CxaptMjyCDPc9M9H0acdeP V1pQ6BoeZXJ4uvKOKQdOUzfDwYHvdx1QpB1BCQ52FHj+wF38OKLpdoa9OdWnoq+A Q52RiGlfkjjhhv4m00OOxW3lfmyxKxJKZXH7GmYJekjGB5aAktreDPE8tsvz9LEB mIJH4yF8kH538wMSHho2sLEkVT6/YBf4NatMFtjTJJ2Lp6JMge8hSWwD7T+wTB+4 MApCfF6Ta6RuuE/Yko9Ad94hxtONpP5CyILvwOFglnp08DFX3qVuXmZXbrICjtf/ +B+y9EkmlqzIIs7a5jVf1/Xp0A4gR0j87FRofCqNomI6zASc+ItWVxHZJlYYz2jw pDiy1M7qe9e4KaVaC9U+4Mj26OQCZ2wzS6Tx7NO9+JiRVtdn8MgB/OtEsIPrMbj3 oTu5iI77uNiqJiD9GGrMAgF+apbwXsviIQVEHaAI+5FHi2t7xRI567NKyWKrULAn pQSa0ZZuIuEX0Ncj6MtDBscuTNb9L8KwwIprSWxf2d4vPjifc5lU9ymy7Eph0S0b 4wUa4Lb6oEjJAxfbzuBq3akTltZoJSdYBPFw9Pp
  • From Martin Schulte@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 18:00:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.l10n.german

    Hello Helge!

    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 11:38:00AM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    Hello French and German l10n-maintainers,

    there's no rename installed with util-linux in Debian 11, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926637 explains why.

    But still there are French and German manpages in the according packages, I consider this an error – at least it is confusing.

    Could you kindly be more precise? Which version of manpages-de do you
    have installed?

    I'm using "Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" on a x86_64 system.

    I just checked our sources and $ dpkg -L manpages-de|grep rename /usr/share/man/de/man1/rename.ul.1.gz

    Yes, the manpage is there, but the program isn't. There is also no manpage in /usr/share/man/man1 - it just exists in the French and German translations (as far as I've checked).

    Best regards

    Martin

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Mario_Bl=C3=A4ttermann?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 18:50:02 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.l10n.german

    Hello,

    Am Do., 9. März 2023 um 18:13 Uhr schrieb Helge Kreutzmann <[email protected]>:

    Hello Martin,
    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 05:33:02PM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 11:38:00AM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    Hello French and German l10n-maintainers,

    there's no rename installed with util-linux in Debian 11, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926637 explains why.

    But still there are French and German manpages in the according packages, I consider this an error – at least it is confusing.

    Could you kindly be more precise? Which version of manpages-de do you have installed?

    I'm using "Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" on a x86_64 system.

    Ok, stable.

    I just checked our sources and $ dpkg -L manpages-de|grep rename /usr/share/man/de/man1/rename.ul.1.gz

    Yes, the manpage is there, but the program isn't. There is also no manpage in /usr/share/man/man1 - it just exists in the French and German translations (as far as I've checked).

    This happend when we had a transition of maintainers upstream. So
    I think we carried the rename.ul man page back then a little too
    long and so it went into Bullseye when it should't have.


    We weren't aware of this change. I will archive the appropriate .po
    files and remove the template prior to the next release of
    manpages-l10n (btw, which happens today :)) Then I could add the
    »rename« package (see below) to our package lists, if desired, so we
    can translate it and ship the German and French man pages with the
    next version.

    I apologize for the inconvenience.

    You have the following options:
    1. Ignore the translated man page

    2. Install the backport for manpages-de / manpages-fr
    This also contains more and improved man page translations

    3. Upgrade to testing/bookworm

    In Testing/Bookworm, rename.ul is both present in english, as well as
    in German, French and Ukrainian. So everything is fine there.

    As you can see at [1], the English version of rename.ul isn't
    available anymore from Debian, only our translated versions. The
    rename.1 man page [2] comes from a separate package [3]. What happens
    when you call »rename« in a terminal. Does *anything* happen, or maybe
    the rename command isn't part of a typical Debian installation
    anymore?


    [1] https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/manpages-de/rename.ul.1.de.html
    [2] https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/rename/rename.1.en.html
    [3] https://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/rename

    Best Regards,
    Mario

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Helge Kreutzmann@21:1/5 to Martin Schulte on Thu Mar 9 18:20:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.l10n.german

    This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages.

    Hello Martin,
    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 05:33:02PM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 11:38:00AM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    Hello French and German l10n-maintainers,

    there's no rename installed with util-linux in Debian 11, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926637 explains why.

    But still there are French and German manpages in the according packages, I consider this an error – at least it is confusing.

    Could you kindly be more precise? Which version of manpages-de do you
    have installed?

    I'm using "Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" on a x86_64 system.

    Ok, stable.

    I just checked our sources and $ dpkg -L manpages-de|grep rename /usr/share/man/de/man1/rename.ul.1.gz

    Yes, the manpage is there, but the program isn't. There is also no manpage in /usr/share/man/man1 - it just exists in the French and German translations (as far as I've checked).

    This happend when we had a transition of maintainers upstream. So
    I think we carried the rename.ul man page back then a little too
    long and so it went into Bullseye when it should't have.

    I apologize for the inconvenience.

    You have the following options:
    1. Ignore the translated man page

    2. Install the backport for manpages-de / manpages-fr
    This also contains more and improved man page translations

    3. Upgrade to testing/bookworm

    In Testing/Bookworm, rename.ul is both present in english, as well as
    in German, French and Ukrainian. So everything is fine there.

    Greetings

    Helge

    P.S. No need to CC: me, I'm subscribed.
    --
    Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected]
    Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php
    64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred
    Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/

    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

    iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEbZZfteMW0gNUynuwQbqlJmgq5nAFAmQKE7UACgkQQbqlJmgq 5nDOLhAAiElutA1xwMR6MRrV9eKxUDfHxKUIVz1IwyZ0gsJp3SvNHrEN3s08giEU IVVmmGqZlaO0bjBFw6K8nN2op4pt8TxsRpXZ3juYvovGUV9FiInrJgPD5lmF98OT +GMWkR/cVDeB17iWW/Po+ZtKbsyXVd/GzOW1I4O+lLMTErxjCFJ1esL3k/aO3b8O qJ+Yz/VOiDl5Pp1uVL+nb3zlFFrVgC/oAcMRpUHPaXnUX97EJDlvLCL6nMEZuzwa CUNFnFdbEkgMno5OFi6uv6pMCMWJx/XNahQcnKy+vrcZnvjvtx6suq6BBCoaxeOR xKC4HZlKtypHh+VlMYv+5HyEKaUqTYyAPI8mEZqLohZ7fmXJu9jpthjoW300/K3P tEyBhFAJ7UOjpRyP7DVyhDQ5uFKYwzCqU8dBOjXRwWFi/5oPlqgp20xSgXUI+nva sWze5te61zUA2FgJKi5IkVM/HYk7WO36y11VrG6pUgMQ4YgnGrXETt2xUUUlv7gp iHIBgyy65tCMaY0bRfALaEwuqBfr99tyOYH3XqdKLNQT4Gj3Jd/eEK1fhW5n7k59 BFyuVNGj1Jc8yxB4hWR9ySfN+wNaO0zl0JhuunP
  • From Helge Kreutzmann@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 18:50:02 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.l10n.german

    This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages.

    Hallo Mario,

    PLEASE NOT!

    Everything is alright in unstable/testing!

    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 06:47:43PM +0100, Mario Blättermann wrote:
    Hello,

    Am Do., 9. März 2023 um 18:13 Uhr schrieb Helge Kreutzmann <[email protected]>:

    Hello Martin,
    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 05:33:02PM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 11:38:00AM +0100, Martin Schulte wrote:
    Hello French and German l10n-maintainers,

    there's no rename installed with util-linux in Debian 11, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926637 explains why.

    But still there are French and German manpages in the according packages, I consider this an error – at least it is confusing.

    Could you kindly be more precise? Which version of manpages-de do you have installed?

    I'm using "Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" on a x86_64 system.

    Ok, stable.

    I just checked our sources and $ dpkg -L manpages-de|grep rename /usr/share/man/de/man1/rename.ul.1.gz

    Yes, the manpage is there, but the program isn't. There is also no manpage in /usr/share/man/man1 - it just exists in the French and German translations (as far as I've checked).

    This happend when we had a transition of maintainers upstream. So
    I think we carried the rename.ul man page back then a little too
    long and so it went into Bullseye when it should't have.


    We weren't aware of this change. I will archive the appropriate .po
    files and remove the template prior to the next release of
    manpages-l10n (btw, which happens today :)) Then I could add the
    »rename« package (see below) to our package lists, if desired, so we
    can translate it and ship the German and French man pages with the
    next version.

    I apologize for the inconvenience.

    You have the following options:
    1. Ignore the translated man page

    2. Install the backport for manpages-de / manpages-fr
    This also contains more and improved man page translations

    3. Upgrade to testing/bookworm

    In Testing/Bookworm, rename.ul is both present in english, as well as
    in German, French and Ukrainian. So everything is fine there.

    As you can see at [1], the English version of rename.ul isn't
    available anymore from Debian, only our translated versions. The
    rename.1 man page [2] comes from a separate package [3]. What happens
    when you call »rename« in a terminal. Does *anything* happen, or maybe
    the rename command isn't part of a typical Debian installation
    anymore?


    [1] https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/manpages-de/rename.ul.1.de.html
    [2] https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/rename/rename.1.en.html
    [3] https://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/rename

    Best Regards,
    Mario


    --
    Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected]
    Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php
    64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred
    Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/

    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

    iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEbZZfteMW0gNUynuwQbqlJmgq5nAFAmQKHCAACgkQQbqlJmgq 5nCPhw/8DIWtdugDiY0frjS5bLh0gXuCAVpeFSLm6vEoeb5MPiQX5qOwnyyyG635 xsnBZCSBDuTWa0pA6LZ0jmEkBEzKOgxxnNV8DysJEy38G7UJLg9C/DIX95BjTu/q RlmeN7fYgOS6HvtBz5rw3lUO8KTEgctQ6wKjUOdvKU7N8YiS2WSch07kHSuPEVc+ 1gQU+LEJ9tvIed7fyb8j7xjZIzfMttVGTgMlrxL179Zb7QS5jqLNzTyzWjRzsxUI HQj54PoW1ZJdkX30YxKEfOR3PmA+RCMQyOjco9zaNMOe03Nadi9rMqOb8JOuSsMP uDSlpFlC+Q030xAQezDRnK87tWjpXKJPqTUUDyJlNqEVuDy7wG/WNALGk39nOJTJ fp8GOy5x6VeFxbTvGuOjU6no5Ir1ergtKOFS7HRo5TZXGwOXKm5SU+Dad7NWmIDs abyZhDRvNYPjpEKMJ16yyLK6BtrI269AD/3wXP9WuRi4SuSXwbnwK1agYsKqrGtV BGUvDSVJ7/+OixZStsMkDTQVYkC12PRwwKt1/dTlaEj6XEq1mDT0DrN5FzLpMp7u wu1aoYkIzgYqq6XiiE2vRf98NuyWYoiwMTS871/
  • From Helge Kreutzmann@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 19:00:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.l10n.german

    This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages.

    Hallo Mario,
    this issue is only affecting bullseye, not bookworm nor the backports.
    Please do not modify anything.

    Please contact me off-list for further coordination if needed.

    Greetings

    Helge

    --
    Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected]
    Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php
    64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred
    Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/

    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

    iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEbZZfteMW0gNUynuwQbqlJmgq5nAFAmQKHIgACgkQQbqlJmgq 5nBVIg//TPXgrahvZarAE16Kae2JGCbpRuQXIPbR0CJEe4VcIM0++lRsFL/RT5DY /Jwmx+ctlTZLh8P51uCA7DMTmhuUQZZd/E6a+puga4J+/UIP53LoAhpIJCW0aN4+ /4v6iX260zb96Ow2Z3cHl6QpdAAhk0wWRn8uf/MMMFCH2xs43GgXGPykeIQtlrpq EjoOucQ4Sq9Q9qqZiqSCC2gEevMha+7w5tCM3/YPcbNr5tdG5fa3ZG9Sk3aIsyiv ByoXj53duM0K4VvipG0gObpuwhGpM1MuJ2CDNv6gl3WoDLXXNTJsVPWLkUTF2f7r 5/Q5fQaGifCrkuxCJsnaBIa8+2Q2UvzKsl3GTulO5snW/EMXy0F1nDuvxB4euzq/ U/XTixJvnXX/f4bco14fFPKvKTZcGB85ExfyqC0+cL7hmS7rl8LuBlNT5h1JxKgb 6h0B3tHeMAYaXm3jI/hGp5ftQJxT63cX3O9+nGW+iXHh3N5DrRCUFN2RcHCuUfkY z0cEUrfDcI2fikSHLjGpwRxEpB/q9eY+4gfDVqNbpm4g2OwGrrjwbyR1k1/CXnUe 5mZFD9UCXh7vpZ26fXmwJopYrdx8xP6TXbrnqTz