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  • Re: Im stuck

    From Soren Stoutner@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 27 19:55:47 2024
    Copy: [email protected] (Manuel Guerra)

    Sure, what are your questions?

    On Thursday, June 27, 2024 7:38:50 PM MST Manuel Guerra wrote:
    I'm stuck

    I have been reading the documentation about how to contribute software to Debian but I am at a point where I don't know what to do. If anyone can sympathize with me I would like to ask some questions.

    Thanks

    --
    Soren Stoutner
    [email protected]
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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to Manuel Guerra on Fri Jun 28 12:50:01 2024
    On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 11:38:50PM -0300, Manuel Guerra wrote:
    I have been reading the documentation about how to contribute software to Debian but I am at a point where I don't know what to do. If anyone can sympathize with me I would like to ask some questions.

    Sure. What kind of contribution is on your mind?

    Greetings
    Marc

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  • From Soren Stoutner@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 28 13:56:35 2024
    Copy: [email protected]

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    Manuel,

    As this program is written in Go, I would recommend you reach out to the Debian Go team.

    https://go-team.pages.debian.net/[1]

    On Thursday, June 27, 2024 8:05:40 PM MST Manuel Guerra wrote:
    Thanks for your aswer Soren.

    I wrote a small program that I would like to share with the GNU community, however I am not familiar with Debian's policies, at this point I only managed to register at mentors.debian.org but I couldn't go any further

    The repository is hosted at https://github.com/manuwarfare/baby

    --
    Soren Stoutner
    [email protected]

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    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">As this program is written in Go, I would recommend you reach out to the Debian Go team.</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><a href="https://go-team.pages.debian.net/">https://go-team.pages.debian.net/</a></p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">On Thursday, June 27, 2024 8:05:40 PM MST Manuel Guerra wrote:</p>
    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt; Thanks for your aswer Soren.</p>
    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt; </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt; I wrote a small program that I would like to share with the GNU community,</p>
    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt; however I am not familiar with Debian's policies, at this point I only</p>
    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt; managed to register at mentors.debian.org but I couldn't go any further</p>
    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt; </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt; The repository is hosted at https://github.com/manuwarfare/baby</p>
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    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Soren Stoutner</p>
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  • From Jeremy Theler@21:1/5 to Manuel Guerra on Thu Jul 4 13:00:01 2024
    I'm pretty much in the same position.

    There is an RFP bug report at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068648
    but got no response.

    I wrote to the debian-science list with no answer either: https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2024/05/msg00025.html

    Any guidance will be appreciated.

    --
    jeremy

    On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 23:38 -0300, Manuel Guerra wrote:
    I'm stuck

    I have been reading the documentation about how to contribute
    software to Debian but I am at a point where I don't know what to do.
    If anyone can sympathize with me I would like to ask some questions.

    Thanks

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to Jeremy Theler on Thu Jul 4 13:20:01 2024
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 07:55:03AM -0300, Jeremy Theler wrote:
    I'm pretty much in the same position.

    There is an RFP bug report at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068648
    but got no response.

    This is expected for RFPs. RFPs are "I want someone to package this" and
    thus they are unlikely to result in anything if nobody wants to package
    it. "I can maintain de package" also looks out of place in an RFP, if you actually want to package it yourself you should package it instead and I'm
    not sure what response you were waiting for.
    Please follow https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers/ if you want to
    make a package yourself.


    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Gr=C3=B6ber?=@21:1/5 to Jeremy Theler on Thu Jul 4 13:30:02 2024
    Hi Jeremy,

    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 07:55:03AM -0300, Jeremy Theler wrote:
    I'm pretty much in the same position.

    There is an RFP bug report at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068648
    but got no response.

    RFP means "someone else please do this", you need to file an RFS if you're actively looking for a sponsor and want to package/maintain the package yourself.

    https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/rfs-howto/

    RFP is more of a +1 vote on this software being useful, which can be useful
    to convince people it should be in Debian. However I'm not aware of any DDs actively watching those bugs for things to work on.

    It also looks like you didn't CC debian-devel (sending to debian-science instead) on the ITP as per devref https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#new-packages that's usually how DDs outside of debian-mentors learn about new
    (potentially interesting) packages.

    In the future you might consider CC'ing debian-mentors on ITPs you want sponsored anyway, just in case some mentors aren't subscribed to
    d-devel. Alternatively including the elaborate description from the ITP in
    the RFS is a good idea too. CC'ing a more focused list like d-science in
    the ITP/RFS isn't a bad idea either.

    tl;dr: more CCs == more better. Just don't go too crazy.

    --Daniel

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 13:40:02 2024
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 01:22:29PM +0200, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    I'm pretty much in the same position.

    There is an RFP bug report at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068648
    but got no response.

    RFP means "someone else please do this", you need to file an RFS if you're actively looking for a sponsor and want to package/maintain the package yourself.

    I don't think they have a source package yet.

    It also looks like you didn't CC debian-devel (sending to debian-science instead) on the ITP

    I don't think they've filed an ITP.

    In the future you might consider CC'ing debian-mentors on ITPs you want sponsored anyway

    You don't need to CC debian-mentors on ITPs, you don't use ITPs to ask for sponsorship and RFSes are sent to debian-mentors automatically.
    Looks like you a very confused either by the abbreviations or by the
    concepts.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Gr=C3=B6ber?=@21:1/5 to Andrey Rakhmatullin on Thu Jul 4 14:10:01 2024
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 04:30:43PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
    You don't need to CC debian-mentors on ITPs, you don't use ITPs to ask for sponsorship and RFSes are sent to debian-mentors automatically.

    It's complicated^{TM}. The sponsorship docs don't actually guide people on
    how to get others interested in their work, this usually causes RFSen with basically no description of what the package actually does -- I'm not
    surprised when no one replies to those.

    Now I could have gone on a rant about how to do that properly, but figured:
    you know what, it's easier to just CC the ITP to d-mentors too since that
    ought to have the full description.

    --Daniel

    PS: I was looking at the wrong wnpp bug :D

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  • From gregor herrmann@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 13:50:01 2024
    On Thu, 04 Jul 2024 13:22:29 +0200, Daniel Gr�ber wrote:

    RFP is more of a +1 vote on this software being useful, which can be useful to convince people it should be in Debian. However I'm not aware of any DDs actively watching those bugs for things to work on.

    At least in the past, we in the Debian Perl Group kept an eye on RFP
    bugs where the subject matched "lib.*-perl". Maybe we should look
    into this again.

    In any case, adding
    X-Debbugs-CC: [email protected]
    or contacting us via other means is a good idea.


    Cheers,
    gregor

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 14:30:01 2024
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 02:04:01PM +0200, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 04:30:43PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
    You don't need to CC debian-mentors on ITPs, you don't use ITPs to ask for sponsorship and RFSes are sent to debian-mentors automatically.

    It's complicated^{TM}. The sponsorship docs don't actually guide people on how to get others interested in their work

    I don't think this is necessary or helpful: most RFSes are sponsored
    because they are in a good shape and somebody decided to sponsor them, not because a sponsor is actually interested in that software. https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/ makes sense to me: you either find a relevant team or wait until people that sponsor random packages sponsor
    yours. Knowing what does the package actually do is mostly useful to skip
    ones that don't deserve sponsoring.

    Now I could have gone on a rant about how to do that properly, but figured: you know what, it's easier to just CC the ITP to d-mentors too since that ought to have the full description.

    Having the ITP sent to d-mentors at some time in the past doesn't help a sponsor looking at the RFS, especially if they do that via the sponsorship-requests BTS page.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Gr=C3=B6ber?=@21:1/5 to Andrey Rakhmatullin on Thu Jul 4 15:30:01 2024
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 05:26:03PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
    It's complicated^{TM}. The sponsorship docs don't actually guide people on how to get others interested in their work

    I don't think this is necessary or helpful: most RFSes are sponsored
    because they are in a good shape and somebody decided to sponsor them, not because a sponsor is actually interested in that software. https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/ makes sense to me: you either find a relevant team or wait until people that sponsor random packages sponsor yours. Knowing what does the package actually do is mostly useful to skip ones that don't deserve sponsoring.

    Andrey, when was the last time you requested sponsorship on a package with
    an identity that's not yet well established in the project? Perhaps you
    should try it next time you want to have something in Debian and see what happens.

    --Daniel

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 15:30:01 2024
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 03:22:35PM +0200, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    It's complicated^{TM}. The sponsorship docs don't actually guide people on
    how to get others interested in their work

    I don't think this is necessary or helpful: most RFSes are sponsored because they are in a good shape and somebody decided to sponsor them, not because a sponsor is actually interested in that software. https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/ makes sense to me: you either find a relevant team or wait until people that sponsor random packages sponsor yours. Knowing what does the package actually do is mostly useful to skip ones that don't deserve sponsoring.

    Andrey, when was the last time you requested sponsorship on a package with
    an identity that's not yet well established in the project? Perhaps you should try it next time you want to have something in Debian and see what happens.

    Sorry? I know that we have a problem with not having enough sponsors and
    that many RFSes, especially for new packages, are open for months, I'm
    just saying that providing more info about a package won't help solve it.


    --
    WBR, wRAR

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