On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:52:30PM +0200, Preu�e, Hilmar wrote:

The upstream minor versions are always determined by letters, so I'm unsure how to make clear that 1.3.8a+ is later than 1.3.8+. Any hints?

This is a real sad interaction between the letters and the + in this
case.
Clearly the best solution would be to not need to repack anymore, this
would throw the problem away. What's even the point of carrying the RFC
in the tarball nowadays?

Another solution would be to change the character used to separate the
'dfsg' string. + tends to be preferred, but you could use ~ with the
same result most of the time, and it would likewise fix the problem:
% dpkg --compare-versions 1.3.8a~dfsg-1 gt 1.3.8~dfsg-1
=> TRUE

Lastly, you could convince upstream to *always* release their first
release with the trailing character, so there are not release that end
with a number, similar to tzdata.



That said, for this 1.3.8 case you are quite stuck, as you can't do any
of the above. The only option that comes to my mind is to just mess up
the upstream version string to something like 1.3.8.a+dfsg, and keep at
that until 1.3.9 comes out.

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On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 11:06:32PM +0100, Hilmar Preu�e wrote:

I just noticed that it is not just a display issue on the web page, but a real issue: my latest uploaded was rejected telling me:

Your upload included the source package proftpd-dfsg, version 1.3.8a+dfsg-1, however testing already has version 1.3.8+dfsg-8.
Uploads to unstable must have a higher version than present in testing.

I mean, of course. What were you even expecting...?

Can we override that anyhow?

Even if it was possible, how would that be of any help? You do realize
that versioning order matters for much more than whatever is shown on a
web page, right? Like, apt policy. Or what dpkg does.

I can open an issue at upstream trying to
remove the RfC files, but I guess he's not really interested in these Debian internals. Further it does not solve the issue for this particular upload.

You seem to have skipped the last paragraph of my last email. What
about that?


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On 2023-11-09 23:06 +0100, Hilmar Preu�e wrote:

On 10/13/23 01:32, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:52:30PM +0200, Preu�e, Hilmar wrote:

Hi Mattia,

The upstream minor versions are always determined by letters, so I'm unsure
how to make clear that 1.3.8a+ is later than 1.3.8+. Any hints?

I just noticed that it is not just a display issue on the web page, but a real issue: my latest uploaded was rejected telling me:

Your upload included the source package proftpd-dfsg, version 1.3.8a+dfsg-1, however testing already has version 1.3.8+dfsg-8.
Uploads to unstable must have a higher version than present in testing.

Can we override that anyhow?

No. What's in the archive is in the archive. (Well I think you can ask FTPmasters to remove something but that usually needs a better reason,
like "it contains illegal stuff").

I can open an issue at upstream trying to
remove the RfC files, but I guess he's not really interested in these Debian internals. Further it does not solve the issue for this particular upload.

Right this is a Debian problem not upstream.

I think your options are
1) add an epoch (which exists to deal with this sort of problem)
2) wait till the next (numerical) release 1.3.9 and upload that.
Do releases happen often? This approach only really makes sense
if you/your users can put up with the old version until a higher-versioned one appears
3) upload a 'nobbled' version number, which is often done to deal
with this sort of temporary issue: 1.3.8a+really1.3.8+dfsg-1
dpkg --compare-versions 1.3.8a+dfsg lt 1.3.8a+really1.3.8+dfsg; echo $?

I'd probably go with option 3 in this case. Ugly but temporary.

Wookey
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On 2023-11-10 23:44 +0100, Preu�e, Hilmar wrote:

On 10.11.2023 03:10, Wookey wrote:

Hi Wookey,

I think your options are
1) add an epoch (which exists to deal with this sort of problem)

Well, would like to avoid it, if possible.

There is no real reason to avoid epochs but they always feel a bit
'ugly' so people do tend to avoid them if they can.

3) upload a 'nobbled' version number, which is often done to deal
with this sort of temporary issue: 1.3.8a+really1.3.8+dfsg-1
dpkg --compare-versions 1.3.8a+dfsg lt 1.3.8a+really1.3.8+dfsg; echo $?

You mean upload the 1.3.8a as 1.3.8+really1.3.8a, 1.3.8+really1.3.8b, 1.3.8+really1.3.8c etc. until we are at 1.3.9 und we can return to normal versioning?

Yes, exactly (sorry my example was a bit confused - I had the 1.3.8
and 1.3.8a ordering backwards in my head, but it doesn't affect the
mechanism). And yes, once you get to 1.3.9 you can go back to normal
version numbering.


Wookey
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On 2023-11-10 "Preu�e, Hilmar" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 10.11.2023 03:10, Wookey wrote:

I think your options are
1) add an epoch (which exists to deal with this sort of problem)

Well, would like to avoid it, if possible.

I think it is also not the right solutions, epochs are imho intended to
fix one-off errors, but this is problem recurring with every non-major
release.

[...]

3) upload a 'nobbled' version number, which is often done to deal
with this sort of temporary issue: 1.3.8a+really1.3.8+dfsg-1
dpkg --compare-versions 1.3.8a+dfsg lt 1.3.8a+really1.3.8+dfsg; echo $? >>

You mean upload the 1.3.8a as 1.3.8+really1.3.8a, 1.3.8+really1.3.8b, 1.3.8+really1.3.8c etc. until we are at 1.3.9 und we can return to normal versioning?

I'd probably go with option 3 in this case. Ugly but temporary.

Sounds like an option for now. Thanks!

I think 1.3.8-a+dfsg-1 would work and you could swith to ~dfsg with
1.3.9 like Mattia suggested:
ametzler@argenau:~$ dpkg --compare-versions '1.3.8+dfsg-8' '<<' 1.3.8-a+dfsg-1 && echo yes
yes
ametzler@argenau:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 1.3.8-a+dfsg-2 '<<' 1.3.8-b+dfsg-1 && echo yes
yes
ametzler@argenau:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 1.3.8-b+dfsg-3 '<<' 1.3.9~dfsg-1 && echo yes
yes
ametzler@argenau:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 1.3.9~dfsg-3 '<<' 1.3.9a~dfsg-1 && echo yes
yes

cu Andreas
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Hi!

On Sat, 2023-11-11 at 03:28:21 +0000, Wookey wrote:

On 2023-11-10 23:44 +0100, Preuße, Hilmar wrote:

On 10.11.2023 03:10, Wookey wrote:

I think your options are
1) add an epoch (which exists to deal with this sort of problem)

Well, would like to avoid it, if possible.

There is no real reason to avoid epochs

Oh, but there are! See <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ#epochs>.

but they always feel a bit
'ugly' so people do tend to avoid them if they can.

That's the lesser of the issues with epochs. :)

Thanks,
Guillem

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