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On 2024-04-01 18:00 +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:

Hi Sven,

On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 05:35:18PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:

Obviously the manpages-dev package should not have shipped these files
as long as there are in glibc-doc; this is tracked in #1068166.

I CCed back in 2023-10 the debian-glibc@ list notifying that these pages
were absorbed into the Linux man-pages project. They didn't respond.

Thanks. That might have fallen through the cracks.

Adding a Breaks on glibc-doc (<= 2.38-6) to manpages-dev is no good,
because that version is only in experimental and will remain there for
several weeks if not months. I think manpages-dev should drop these

Why not add glibc-doc 2.38-7 dropping the patch that adds these pages?

Makes perfect sense, but at the moment it can only be uploaded to
experimental.

We're not in a freeze, so I guess that's fair game.

We're not in a freeze but in the middle of the largest transition in
Debian history[1], and during that a new major glibc version in unstable is
out of the question.

files for now and re-include either when glibc 2.38 is in unstable or
when it is in testing.

Why do we need to wait to ask for a glibc-doc_2.38-7 with the patch
dropped? Does 2.38 have any freeze at the moment?

Yes. Every new major glibc version requires a transition (requiring
rebuilds of all packages which use @GLIBC_PRIVATE symbols, among other
things), and the one for glibc 2.38[2] has been pending for three
months[3].

There is also the problem that some derivatives (most notably Ubuntu)
are already shipping glibc 2.39 and will have to adjust Breaks/Replaces
versions in manpages-dev accordingly.

Hmmm. I suggest they patch glibc-doc to remove those manual pages.
They have been unsupported for a long time. The last change in
glibc-doc is from 2013.

I guess Ubuntu can then drop the glibc-doc package entirely, as they do
not ship the upstream changelogs in it, and after dropping the pthread_* manpages the package would be empty. TBH, I do not see much value in
these changelogs and will probably uninstall glibc-doc from my systems.

Cheers,
Sven


1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/02/msg00005.html
2. https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/glibc-2.38.html
3. https://bugs.debian.org/1059852

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