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  • Re: =?utf-8?Q?Reconsidering_Debian?= =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=99s_Inclusion_of_

    From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 10 10:00:01 2025
    On Sun, 09 Mar 2025 17:17:52 +0100, Simon Josefsson
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    Right, in the sense that they embed non-free software in the hardware.

    None of those machines require them to be loaded by me as a user for
    them to be useful to me.

    This distinction is important to me.

    I find the version where I can choose whether to use the firmare or
    not superior to not having the choice.

    For me there are several reasons for wanting this, which ought to be >understandable for anyone reading this thread.

    It isn't. I am too stupid to understand that from the explanaition
    given.

    The supply-chain
    security trust concern of non-free firmware is a hot topic right now.

    I would place less trust on the firmware that is on the device while
    it rides the supply chain from the factory to my place.

    It is fine to disagree that these are concerns worthy spending time on
    within the Debian project, which is my perception of the vote outcome.

    There are not concerns about spending time. There are no people
    willing to do so.

    Greetings
    Marc
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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 10 12:30:01 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:56:28 +0100, Simon Josefsson
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    Marc Haber <[email protected]> writes:
    I still haven't heard arguments why people refuse to use an installer
    that comes with non-free firmware, asks whether this firmware should
    be used, and if answered "no", none of this non-free firmware ends up
    in the installed system. The resulting system is free regardless
    whether there was non-free firmware on the installation images.

    https://www.gnu.org/distros/optionally-free-not-enough.html >https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/install-fest-devil.html

    No thank you.

    Greetings
    Marc
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  • From Peter B@21:1/5 to Simon Josefsson on Mon Mar 10 15:40:02 2025
    On 10/03/2025 09:57, Simon Josefsson wrote:

    .... in a Salsa pipeline, and that seems to be a 5-10GB
    artifact unless my math is off.

    Hi Simon,

    sadly, Salsa pipelines will only handle up to 250MB,
    a long way short of even 5GB !

    https://salsa.debian.org/salsa-ci-team/pipeline/-/issues/389


    Cheers,
    Peter

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