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  • Re: Bug#995212: chromium: Update to version 94.0.4606.61 (security-fixe

    From Tomas Pospisek@21:1/5 to Mattia Rizzolo on Tue Dec 7 09:00:02 2021
    On 06.12.21 22:53, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
    On Mon, Dec 06, 2021 at 08:53:37PM +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
    I have good experience with some of my upstreams where they supported me by >> adapting their build system to enable building without the bundled/vendored >> dependencies. Has this been tried? Would it be worth pursuing?

    It has been, yes.

    I was looking when Micheal reported a few bugs (after my prodding) to
    get a few build issues solved (actual FTBFS when building with specific
    build flags). Even those bug reports were completely ignored with no
    answer whatsoever; the patches also ignored.

    I'm led to believe the chromium team is not really playing with the
    community at all, rather they are just following their internal bug
    tracker instead.
    Likewise, they are obviously not interested in supporting anything that
    is not the official Google Chrome build (if it can even said they are "supoprting" that).

    I note that Steinar Gunderson [1] is now employed by Google to work on
    Chrome, so maybe there could be hope talking to him?
    *t

    [1] http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2021-12-05-16-41_leaving_mysql.html

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  • From Steinar H. Gunderson@21:1/5 to Tomas Pospisek on Tue Dec 7 10:30:02 2021
    On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
    I note that Steinar Gunderson [1] is now employed by Google to work on Chrome, so maybe there could be hope talking to him?

    Hi,

    It's right that I'm just joining the Chromium team, although probably not in
    an area that is interesting to you (Style & Font). (And of course, I don't really have a say in anything yet, and I don't know anyone yet :-) )
    I don't have the context here; what specifically is it that you're interested in getting fixed?

    /* Steinar */
    --
    Homepage: https://www.sesse.net/

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  • From Tomas Pospisek@21:1/5 to Steinar H. Gunderson on Tue Dec 7 19:10:02 2021
    Hi Steinar,


    On 07.12.21 10:07, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
    On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
    I note that Steinar Gunderson [1] is now employed by Google to work on
    Chrome, so maybe there could be hope talking to him?

    It's right that I'm just joining the Chromium team, although probably not in an area that is interesting to you (Style & Font). (And of course, I don't really have a say in anything yet, and I don't know anyone yet :-) )
    I don't have the context here; what specifically is it that you're interested in getting fixed?

    problem explanation starts at [1]. Let me try to summarize (those in the
    known please correct me):

    * chromium in Debian is *way* behind upstream
    * many security issues that are fixed upstream but not in Debian
    * chromium maintenance team is too small wrt to maintenance load
    * Debian is carrying many patches
    * Debian has reported bugs and patches upstream in the bug tracker
    * at least some build/build-options related
    * no feedback at all from upstream, issues persist
    * upstream's perception and attention seems to be limited to
    internal bug tracker

    So you being a DD and soon at work on Chromium the hope was that maybe
    you could conduct some of upstream love to care about the world outside
    of Google (?), here in particular Debian's effort to provide Chromium to
    its users... to help that effort.
    *t

    [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/12/msg00079.html

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  • From Mattia Rizzolo@21:1/5 to Tomas Pospisek on Tue Dec 7 20:10:02 2021
    On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 07:31:09PM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
    Obviously I cannot promise anything here; I'm currently even more in the dark
    than you. :-) But if there's a list of relevant bugs somewhere, I at least have a place to try to understand the issues at hand.

    The one bug I had in mind when I wrote my email was this:

    https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1250231

    However I saw in the past also some cases of a bug reported, few
    versions later bug fixed, but actually the bug wasn't even touched, so
    most likely somebody else noticed "internally" but never saw the bug
    report.


    Besides that, look at the stupidly long list of patches. I consider it
    fair to say that for most of them chromium upstream could just trivially incorporate build flags or support our needs: none of those patches
    change foundamental behaviour or so.

    PS: I have included Mattia Rizzolo, Michael Gilbert and the Debian Chromium Team directly in the recipients, to be sure they see this email. I do hope you all do not mind.

    That's all fine with me (also, I'm subscribed to d-d@ (and d-release@),
    but I'm not actually involved in the maintenance.

    Rather, I'm adding here Michel Le Bihan who actually maintained chromium
    in the past 8+ months, and I can only say that he did a great job,
    despite the short time.

    --
    regards,
    Mattia Rizzolo

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  • From Steinar H. Gunderson@21:1/5 to Tomas Pospisek on Tue Dec 7 19:20:01 2021
    On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 07:05:29PM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
    So you being a DD and soon at work on Chromium the hope was that maybe you could conduct some of upstream love to care about the world outside of
    Google (?), here in particular Debian's effort to provide Chromium to its users... to help that effort.

    Hi,

    Obviously I cannot promise anything here; I'm currently even more in the dark than you. :-) But if there's a list of relevant bugs somewhere, I at least
    have a place to try to understand the issues at hand.

    /* Steinar */
    --
    Homepage: https://www.sesse.net/

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  • From Tomas Pospisek@21:1/5 to Steinar H. Gunderson on Tue Dec 7 19:40:02 2021
    On 07.12.21 19:14, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
    On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 07:05:29PM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
    So you being a DD and soon at work on Chromium the hope was that maybe you >> could conduct some of upstream love to care about the world outside of
    Google (?), here in particular Debian's effort to provide Chromium to its
    users... to help that effort.

    Obviously I cannot promise anything here; I'm currently even more in the dark than you. :-) But if there's a list of relevant bugs somewhere, I at least have a place to try to understand the issues at hand.

    I think it'd be best if Debian's chromium maintainers (see the
    recipients of this email) would reply to this question, however if you
    go to chromium's BTS page [1] then all the bug reports that have a "↝"
    (a wavy arrow) have been forwarded upstream and - judging by the fact
    that the bugs are still open in the BTS - have probably not been dealt
    with upstream.
    *t

    [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=chromium;dist=unstable

    PS: I have included Mattia Rizzolo, Michael Gilbert and the Debian
    Chromium Team directly in the recipients, to be sure they see this
    email. I do hope you all do not mind.

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