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  • Re: Gnome 48 beta packages in Sid

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Jeremy_B=C3=ADcha?=@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 6 20:50:01 2025
    On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 2:32 PM Stephan Verbücheln
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    Sid is flooded with early beta versions of many Gnome components. This
    is causing a lot of breakage.

    Please be specific about the breakage you are seeing. The best way to
    do this is to file bugs against affected packages instead of emailing
    this list.

    Are they not supposed to go to
    experimental?

    No. The Debian GNOME team intends for Debian 13 "Trixie" to include
    GNOME 48. This means we need GNOME 48 to get into Testing by the
    Transition Freeze deadline. We can't wait until GNOME 48 RC is
    released at the beginning of March to start this work.

    Thank you,
    Jeremy Bícha

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 6 20:40:01 2025
    Sid is flooded with early beta versions of many Gnome components. This
    is causing a lot of breakage. Are they not supposed to go to
    experimental?

    Regards
    Stephan



    Incomplete list of affected packages:

    epiphany-browser/unstable 48~beta-1
    epiphany-browser-data/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-backgrounds/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-builder/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-calendar/unstable,now 48~beta-1
    gnome-clocks/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-control-center/unstable 1:48~beta-2
    gnome-control-center-data/unstable 1:48~beta-2 gnome-control-center-dev/unstable 1:48~beta-2
    gnome-maps/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-settings-daemon/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-settings-daemon-common/unstable 48~beta-1 gnome-settings-daemon-dev/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-software/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-software-common/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-software-dev/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-software-doc/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-software-plugin-deb/unstable 48~beta-1 gnome-software-plugin-flatpak/unstable 48~beta-1 gnome-software-plugin-fwupd/unstable 48~beta-1 gnome-software-plugin-snap/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-system-monitor/unstable 48~beta-1
    gnome-weather/unstable 48~beta-1
    evolution/unstable 3.55.2-1
    evolution-common/unstable 3.55.2-1
    evolution-data-server/unstable 3.55.2-1
    evolution-data-server-common/unstable 3.55.2-1
    evolution-ews/unstable 3.55.2-1
    evolution-ews-core/unstable 3.55.2-1
    evolution-plugin-bogofilter/unstable 3.55.2-1 evolution-plugin-pstimport/unstable 3.55.2-1
    evolution-plugins/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libcamel-1.2-64t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libebackend-1.2-11t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libebook-1.2-21t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libebook-contacts-1.2-4t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libecal-2.0-3/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libedata-book-1.2-27t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libedata-cal-2.0-2t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libedataserver-1.2-27t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libedataserverui-1.2-4t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libedataserverui4-1.0-0t64/unstable 3.55.2-1
    libevolution/unstable 3.55.2-1


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  • From Michael Biebl@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 6 23:50:02 2025
    Am 06.02.2025 um 20:48 schrieb Jeremy Bícha:

    No. The Debian GNOME team intends for Debian 13 "Trixie" to include
    GNOME 48.

    This is great to hear. Thanks Jeremy and the whole GNOME team!

    Regards,
    Michael

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 7 12:10:01 2025
    On Thu, 2025-02-06 at 14:48 -0500, Jeremy Bícha wrote:
    Please be specific about the breakage you are seeing. The best way to
    do this is to file bugs against affected packages instead of emailing
    this list.

    It was not distribution-level breakage but upstream bugs. I immediately observed multiple bugs in evolution:
    - Evolution started to forget various UI settings
    - icons were mixed up (showing incorrect icons in various places)

    Under the impression that this is a buggy development version, I
    downgraded to 3.54 from Trixie to avoid any damage.
    I have not systematically tested these things on a dedicated test
    system. I do not think that Debian is the best place to test bugs and regressions in an upstream developer release.

    Evolution follows the old convention where even release numbers are
    stable and odd release numbers are for developers. This release is just
    not meant for the general public, developers use it to try new things,
    probably including things that will not land in the next stable 3.56.

    No. The Debian GNOME team intends for Debian 13 "Trixie" to include
    GNOME 48. This means we need GNOME 48 to get into Testing by the
    Transition Freeze deadline. We can't wait until GNOME 48 RC is
    released at the beginning of March to start this work.

    Thanks for the info and for your contributions. In general, I support
    the goal to have Gnome 48 in the next stable.

    Please watch out for bugs and bug reports.

    Regards
    Stephan


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Jeremy_B=C3=ADcha?=@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 7 13:40:03 2025
    On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 6:08 AM Stephan Verbücheln
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    It was not distribution-level breakage but upstream bugs. I immediately observed multiple bugs in evolution:
    - Evolution started to forget various UI settings
    - icons were mixed up (showing incorrect icons in various places)

    Thank you. I am unable to duplicate these issues with the information
    provided. Please report these as Debian bugs instead of on this
    mailing list.

    https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

    Jeremy Bícha

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 7 13:50:01 2025
    Thank you. I am unable to duplicate these issues with the information provided. Please report these as Debian bugs instead of on this
    mailing list.

    I am planning to do more systematic and reproducible tests on a
    dedicated system. I can file Debian bug reports if necessary, after
    checking with upstream bugs first.

    Regards

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 16:20:01 2025
    According to reports and changelogs, Gnome 48 should be working without Xwayland.

    https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/-/blob/main/NEWS

    Can you remove the package dependency in Debian?


    Regards


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Jeremy_B=C3=ADcha?=@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Feb 26 16:30:01 2025
    On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:10 AM Stephan Verbücheln
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    According to reports and changelogs, Gnome 48 should be working without Xwayland.

    https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/-/blob/main/NEWS

    Can you remove the package dependency in Debian?

    No. We are not going to build GNOME for Trixie without support for
    Xorg. That may be useful for kiosks but is not useful in a general
    purpose OS like Debian at this time.

    Also, please report a bug for this kind of packaging suggested change
    instead of emailing this list.
    https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

    Thank you,
    Jeremy Bícha

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 20:20:01 2025
    On Wed, 2025-02-26 at 10:27 -0500, Jeremy Bícha wrote:
    No. We are not going to build GNOME for Trixie without support for
    Xorg.
    My question was neither of that.
    1. Gnome can already be installed without Xorg in Bookworm and works
    fine.
    2. I was talking about removing specifically Xwayland (not Xorg!) as a
    required dependency on the package level.

    That may be useful for kiosks but is not useful in a general
    purpose OS like Debian at this time.
    It should be installed by task-desktop, but it should not be mandatory
    if Gnome can be run without it and Xwayland is rarely running nowadays
    when using GTK3 and GTK4 apps.

    Also, please report a bug for this kind of packaging suggested change
    instead of emailing this list.
    Looks like this needs a more general discussion to clear up the misunderstandings.

    Regards

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Jeremy_B=C3=ADcha?=@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 00:50:01 2025
    On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 2:19 PM Stephan Verbücheln
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    Looks like this needs a more general discussion to clear up the misunderstandings.

    Please, please file a bug instead. I don't want to discuss package
    change requests like this on debian-devel especially when you haven't
    tried filing a bug first.

    Thank you,
    Jeremy Bícha

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