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    From =?UTF-8?Q?nino_He=C4=91i?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 21:10:01 2024
    My suggestion is regarding locales. Currently we get to chose locale based
    on choices of language and keyboard layout and here in lies the problem.
    Rather than offer locales based on our selections don't,just list all of
    them in installer and let us users chose which one we want. For me english language and croatian layout blocks me from chosing croatian locale during installation so i have to do it after installation is complete and i do not like it and i think i am not the only one. I am going to switch to linux
    soon with Debian being my daily driver and all the servers i decide run
    will also be on top of debian. So make small change in installer for debian
    and turn off locales based on match between language of a system and
    keyboard layout because it is problematic for someone who doesn't use US
    layout on keyboard and i am among those since i am croatian.
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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 23:10:01 2024
    On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 06:35:53PM +0000, nino Heđi wrote:
    My suggestion is regarding locales. Currently we get to chose locale based
    on choices of language and keyboard layout and here in lies the problem. Rather than offer locales based on our selections don't,just list all of
    them in installer and let us users chose which one we want.

    For most purposes in a single language, a keyboard, language and timezone
    can all be set in one locale. If you need to switch between multiple
    languages, you are the exceptional case.

    For me english language and croatian layout blocks me from chosing
    croatian locale during installation so i have to do it after installation
    is complete and I do not like it and i think i am not the only one.

    Set Croatian locale up during installation - hr_HR.UTF-8 UTF-8 - and add
    a locale with an appropriate English keyboard layout in addition - maybe
    en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8

    At any point you can run dpkg-reconfigure locales as root/sudo to generate extra locales as necessary

    Then set up your locales file accordingly. You should be able to switch straightforwardly between keyboard layouts in a graphical desktop environment
    / use a soft keyboard with no problem in any event.

    I am going to switch to linux soon with Debian being my daily driver and all the servers I decide run will also be on top of debian. So make small
    change in installer for debian and turn off locales based on match between language of a system and keyboard layout because it is problematic for someone who doesn't use US layout on keyboard and i am among those since i
    am croatian.
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    There's always more than one way to solve a problem appropriately in
    Debian - I'm sure others can think of other solutions.

    With every good wish, as ever,

    Andrew Cater
    ([email protected])
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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 08:20:01 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 18:35:53 +0000, nino He?i <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    My suggestion is regarding locales. Currently we get to chose locale based
    on choices of language and keyboard layout and here in lies the problem. >Rather than offer locales based on our selections don't,just list all of
    them in installer and let us users chose which one we want.

    The "expert" install offers just this and it can be preseeded
    accordingly. My routine choice is en_US.UTF-8, en_GB.UTF-8¹ and
    de_DE.UTF-8 with en_US being the default.

    |[2/5131]mh@swivel:~ $ < /etc/locale.gen grep -vE '^(#.*|)$'
    |de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
    |en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
    |en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
    |[3/5132]mh@swivel:~ $ locale
    |LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LANGUAGE=en
    |LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8"
    |LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_TIME=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_COLLATE="de_DE.UTF-8"
    |LC_MONETARY=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
    |LC_PAPER=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_NAME=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_ADDRESS=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_TELEPHONE=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_MEASUREMENT=de_DE.UTF-8
    |LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.UTF-8"
    |LC_ALL=
    |[4/5132]mh@swivel:~ $

    Greetings
    Marc

    ¹ some software comes with its English translation in en_GB and if
    that's not present it falls back to the ugly de_DE translation
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