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  • Re: Enabling branch protection on amd64 and arm64

    From Moritz =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=BChlenhoff?=@21:1/5 to Wookey on Wed Oct 26 21:10:01 2022
    Wookey wrote:
    So the immediate issue now is whether or not to enable this by default
    in bookworm?

    The majority of packages will not be rebuilt until the release, so
    if we add this now it means that packages pick up the change when
    they are rebuilt in stable via a security update or point release.
    That's not very appealing, independent of the supposed low risk
    factor.

    I think this should rather be applied early after the Bookworm
    release (and ideally we can also finish off the necessary testing
    and add -fstack-clash-protection at least for amd64 and other archs
    which are ready for it (#918914)).

    Cheers,
    Moritz

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  • From Richard Laager@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 26 21:30:01 2022
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  • From Wookey@21:1/5 to Richard Laager on Thu Oct 27 00:10:01 2022
    On 2022-10-26 14:23 -0500, Richard Laager wrote:

    How hard would it be to rebuild everything?

    I don't actually know what facilities Debian has for that. Would it be a binNMU of everything?

    It would. We don't do that.

    In the past it would have wildly overloaded our buildds. Such a thing
    may be more tractable these days in terms of available build resources
    on most arches, but it's still a very big deal, and this change
    certainly doesn't warrant it.

    Wookey
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  • From Sebastian Ramacher@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 27 00:30:02 2022
    On 2022-10-26 20:20:48 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
    Wookey wrote:
    So the immediate issue now is whether or not to enable this by default
    in bookworm?

    The majority of packages will not be rebuilt until the release, so
    if we add this now it means that packages pick up the change when
    they are rebuilt in stable via a security update or point release.
    That's not very appealing, independent of the supposed low risk
    factor.

    I think this should rather be applied early after the Bookworm
    release (and ideally we can also finish off the necessary testing
    and add -fstack-clash-protection at least for amd64 and other archs
    which are ready for it (#918914)).

    I agree that it's too late for bookworm.

    If we'd enable it now, we'd want to rebuild the archive before releasing bookworm to avoid surprises with any security or stable updates in the
    future. Rebuilding the world, however, seems unrealistic at this stage.
    Some of the architectures already have a hard time keeping up with the
    normal load.

    Enabling these flags as soon as the trixie release cycle starts, sounds
    like a better idea. Adoption of these flags will then naturally progress
    and before the trixie release we can rebuild whatever remains.

    Cheers
    --
    Sebastian Ramacher

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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Sebastian Ramacher on Tue Nov 1 00:30:01 2022
    On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 12:27:12AM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
    Some of the architectures already have a hard time keeping up with the
    normal load.

    this change is only targeted at two archs, which I'd hope could cope with it.

    Enabling these flags as soon as the trixie release cycle starts, sounds
    like a better idea. Adoption of these flags will then naturally progress
    and before the trixie release we can rebuild whatever remains.

    even^walso if this is done only for the trixie cycle I think it would be
    good to binNMU all affected packages, which I would guess to be around 25-33% of the archive. because else we cannot really say whether we have enabled this feature archive wide and whether it works/builds ;)

    summary: I think the next step should be calculating how many packages are affected. because the above 25-33% is my guestimate only.


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    cheers,
    Holger

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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Sebastian Ramacher on Tue Nov 1 01:20:01 2022
    On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 01:09:39AM +0100, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
    this change is only targeted at two archs, which I'd hope could cope with it.
    If we ignore/break MA: same co-installability, sure.

    point taken, thanks!


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  • From Marco d'Itri@21:1/5 to Sebastian Ramacher on Wed Nov 2 14:20:01 2022
    On Nov 01, Sebastian Ramacher <[email protected]> wrote:

    this change is only targeted at two archs, which I'd hope could cope with it.
    If we ignore/break MA: same co-installability, sure.
    Sure, but this means that a much smaller subset of packages will need to
    be rebuilt on all architectures.

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    ciao,
    Marco

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