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  • Bits from the Release Team: bookworm freeze dates (preliminary)

    From Paul Gevers@21:1/5 to Debian Devel Announce on Mon Mar 14 21:50:02 2022
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsOpbXkgTGFs?=@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 14 22:00:01 2022
    On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 9:36 PM Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote:

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    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we
    really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,
    Paul


    Is it possible to adopt ISO8601 dates like YYYY-MM-DD please (to avoid
    heart attacks) ?

    Jérémy

    <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 9:36 PM Paul Gevers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_
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    Dear all,<br>

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze<br>
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything<br>
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we<br> really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in<br>
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious<br>
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or<br> completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.<br>

    2022-01-12      - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze<br> 2022-02-12      - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze<br>
    2022-03-12      - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and<br>
                                    packages without autopkgtests<br>
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze<br>

    On behalf of the Release Team,<br>
    Paul<br></blockquote><div><br></div>Is it possible to adopt ISO8601 dates like YYYY-MM-DD please (to avoid heart attacks) ?</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Jérémy</div></div>

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  • From Jesse Smith@21:1/5 to Paul Gevers on Mon Mar 14 22:20:01 2022
    Hi Paul,

    These dates are in the past, was it intended for the dates to be in
    Janruay, February, and March of 2023 instead of 2022?

    Jesse


    On 2022-03-14 5:36 p.m., Paul Gevers wrote:
    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we
    really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2022-01-12      - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze 2022-02-12      - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2022-03-12      - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and                                packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,
    Paul




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  • From Jameson Graef Rollins@21:1/5 to Paul Gevers on Mon Mar 14 22:30:01 2022
    On Mon, Mar 14 2022, Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote:
    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we
    really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    Have not all of these dates already past? Or are these milestones over
    three consecutive days in December of this year?

    jamie.

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  • From Leandro Cunha@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 15 05:30:01 2022
    Hi,

    On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 6:23 PM Jameson Graef Rollins <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, Mar 14 2022, Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote:
    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    Have not all of these dates already past? Or are these milestones over
    three consecutive days in December of this year?

    jamie.


    He sent an email with the corrected dates.
    Debian release occurs every 2 years.
    The last release one was last year.
    The next one will be next year.

    --
    Cheers,
    Leandro Cunha
    Software Engineer and Debian Contributor

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  • From Mike Gabriel@21:1/5 to Paul Gevers on Tue Mar 15 08:10:02 2022
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    Hi Paul,

    On Mo 14 Mär 2022 21:36:11 CET, Paul Gevers wrote:

    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we
    really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,
    Paul

    These dates look wrong by one year... (or are we already in Milestone
    3 phase now???).

    Shock in the morning...

    Mike
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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 15 07:50:01 2022
    On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 09:43:15PM +0100, Jérémy Lal wrote:
    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze
    Is it possible to adopt ISO8601 dates like YYYY-MM-DD please (to avoid
    heart attacks) ?
    Do you think these phases are so short that they are 1 day each? :)

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Eike@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 15 15:34:10 2022
    Am Montag, 14. M�rz 2022, 21:36:11 CET schrieb Paul Gevers:
    2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests

    That's already done?
    Or in Decembre, in three days?
    Or, most likely, 2023?

    Stay safe,
    Eike

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  • From Pierre-Elliott =?utf-8?Q?B=C3=A9cue@21:1/5 to Paul Gevers on Tue Mar 15 21:20:01 2022
    Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote on 14/03/2022 at 21:43:38+0100:

    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we
    really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2023-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2023-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2023-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,

    Hi,

    OOC, isn't that a bit "too short"? We started to work again in August
    2021, it'll be less than two years until the freeze.

    I'm fine with that, but I wonder if we shouldn't keep with a bit larger timelines.

    Cheers!
    --
    PEB

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  • From Leandro Cunha@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 15 23:00:01 2022
    On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:16 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue <[email protected]> wrote:


    Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote on 14/03/2022 at 21:43:38+0100:

    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2023-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2023-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2023-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,

    Hi,

    OOC, isn't that a bit "too short"? We started to work again in August
    2021, it'll be less than two years until the freeze.


    Less than 1 year to go to milestone 1 starts in January.

    --
    Cheers,
    Leandro Cunha
    Software Engineer and Debian Contributor

    <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:16 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-
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    Paul Gevers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote on 14/03/2022 at 21:43:38+0100:<br>

    &gt; Dear all,<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze<br>
    &gt; dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything<br> &gt; we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we<br> &gt; really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in<br> &gt; weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious<br> &gt; delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or<br
  • From Pierre-Elliott =?utf-8?Q?B=C3=A9cue@21:1/5 to Leandro Cunha on Tue Mar 15 23:10:01 2022
    Leandro Cunha <[email protected]> wrote on 15/03/2022 at 22:57:39+0100:

    On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:16 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue <[email protected]> wrote:

    Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote on 14/03/2022 at 21:43:38+0100:

    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2023-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2023-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2023-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,

    Hi,

    OOC, isn't that a bit "too short"? We started to work again in August
    2021, it'll be less than two years until the freeze.

    Less than 1 year to go to milestone 1 starts in January.

    I was referring to the delay between the end of the freeze and the next
    hard freeze.

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    PEB

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  • From Leandro Cunha@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 15 23:20:01 2022
    Hi,

    On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 7:05 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue <[email protected]> wrote:


    Leandro Cunha <[email protected]> wrote on 15/03/2022 at 22:57:39+0100:

    On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:16 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue <[email protected]> wrote:

    Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote on 14/03/2022 at 21:43:38+0100:

    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
    we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2023-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze 2023-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2023-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,

    Hi,

    OOC, isn't that a bit "too short"? We started to work again in August
    2021, it'll be less than two years until the freeze.

    Less than 1 year to go to milestone 1 starts in January.

    I was referring to the delay between the end of the freeze and the next
    hard freeze.

    --
    PEB

    Ok. Debian has been releasing versions every 2 years for a long time.
    I was looking at the site here to remember the dates.
    It is a cycle that is being continued.

    https://www.debian.org/releases/

    --
    Cheers,
    Leandro Cunha
    Software Engineer and Debian Contributor

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 16 08:50:01 2022
    Sorry, the follow-up mails loaded only after I wrote my response.

    Regards
    Stephan

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  • From Pierre-Elliott =?utf-8?Q?B=C3=A9cue@21:1/5 to Leandro Cunha on Wed Mar 16 10:40:01 2022
    Leandro Cunha <[email protected]> wrote on 15/03/2022 at 23:18:37+0100:

    Hi,

    On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 7:05 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue <[email protected]> wrote:


    Leandro Cunha <[email protected]> wrote on 15/03/2022 at 22:57:39+0100:

    On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:16 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue <[email protected]> wrote:

    Paul Gevers <[email protected]> wrote on 14/03/2022 at 21:43:38+0100:

    Dear all,

    We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
    dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything >> > > we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we >> > > really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
    weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
    delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or >> > > completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

    2023-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
    2023-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
    2023-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
    packages without autopkgtests
    To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

    On behalf of the Release Team,

    Hi,

    OOC, isn't that a bit "too short"? We started to work again in August
    2021, it'll be less than two years until the freeze.

    Less than 1 year to go to milestone 1 starts in January.

    I was referring to the delay between the end of the freeze and the next
    hard freeze.

    Ok. Debian has been releasing versions every 2 years for a long time.
    I was looking at the site here to remember the dates.
    It is a cycle that is being continued.

    https://www.debian.org/releases/

    I always have been under the impression it was around 2.5 years between releases, but indeed, this impression was false.

    Thanks!
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    PEB

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