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  • Bug#1109609: Removing old news from webpages

    From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Jonathan Dowland on Mon Jul 28 11:20:01 2025
    XPost: linux.debian.devel, linux.debian.www

    On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 05:13:02PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
    This conversation ended up being spread across several lists. I'm posting updated solely to the following bug, to try and keep things in one place: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1109609

    which further explains there is now https://chronicles.debian.net/www/News/1997/19971211
    and other old Debian news available again on the web and I would just
    like to say thank you very much, Jonathan, much appreciated! \o/ <3


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  • From Jonathan Dowland@21:1/5 to Holger Levsen on Fri Aug 1 14:40:01 2025
    XPost: linux.debian.devel, linux.debian.www

    On Mon Jul 28, 2025 at 10:16 AM BST, Holger Levsen wrote:
    I would just like to say thank you very much, Jonathan, much
    appreciated! \o/ <3

    Thank you for your kind words!

    There's still much to do, but the essentials -- a proper .org site and
    the necessary HTTP redirects -- are now in place, so I can announce "the Chronicles of Debian":

    https://chronicles.debian.org

    e.g.

    $ HEAD -S -H "Accept-Language: de"
    https://www.debian.org/News/1997/19971211
    HEAD https://www.debian.org/News/1997/19971211
    302 Found
    HEAD https://chronicles.debian.org/www/News/1997/19971211
    200 OK
    …
    Content-Language: de
    Content-Location: 19971211.de.html
    …

    Thanks in particular to the DSA team for all their support, as well as
    Carles Pina i Estany and Carlos Henrique Lima Melara who have helped a
    lot behind the scenes.

    --

    Jonathan Dowland
    [email protected]
    https://jmtd.net

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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Jonathan Dowland on Fri Aug 1 15:00:01 2025
    XPost: linux.debian.devel, linux.debian.www

    On Fri, Aug 01, 2025 at 01:36:08PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
    There's still much to do, but the essentials -- a proper .org site and the necessary HTTP redirects -- are now in place, so I can announce "the Chronicles of Debian":
    https://chronicles.debian.org
    e.g.
    $ HEAD -S -H "Accept-Language: de"
    HEAD https://www.debian.org/News/1997/19971211
    302 Found
    HEAD https://chronicles.debian.org/www/News/1997/19971211
    200 OK
    Content-Location: 19971211.de.html

    wow, neato! \o/ /me really likes this!

    so whats left to do?

    Thanks in particular to the DSA team for all their support, as well as
    Carles Pina i Estany and Carlos Henrique Lima Melara who have helped a lot behind the scenes.

    thank y'all very very much! <3


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    cheers,
    Holger

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    This is the year of gpg on the desktop! (Gunnar Wolf)

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  • From Jonathan Dowland@21:1/5 to Thomas Lange on Fri Aug 1 17:30:01 2025
    XPost: linux.debian.www

    Hi Thomas,

    On Fri Aug 1, 2025 at 2:09 PM BST, Thomas Lange wrote:
    I'm not happy about the additional 50 lines of redirects
    …
    Why didn't you have implemented a RewriteCond as I've suggested

    I'm sorry you're not happy. I wrote why I didn't think RewriteCond was appropriate in [1], before I did the work, and didn't see a reply.

    However, the solution I've gone for suffers from the problem I was
    trying to avoid (www delegating too much responsibility for what is a
    valid www URI to the Chronicles service), so a RewriteCond would be no
    worse from that perspective. Mea culpa, I did this in an incredible
    rush.

    There's nothing preventing us from replacing the list with a
    RewriteCond, it just needs someone to do the work. I could do it, but
    there are other Chronicles-related stuff I need to fix first.

    which means that we have to adjust this each year.

    The list doesn't need changing at all unless you delete more content. I
    hope you aren't planning to do that, and certainly not on a regular
    basis!

    When you do wish to delete stuff, please don't automatically assume we
    will pick it up. It should be a conversation and agreement between the
    two services.

    I've also asked for review by the web team when changing the apache
    config.

    Re-reading [2] you did suggest that the webteam could review the MR, but
    I didn't interpret that as "must" (and later forgot about it entirely).
    I iterated on the changes with DSA a few times and that never came up. I apologise, and will ensure to run all future www-related changes via the webteam.


    [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2025/07/msg00076.html
    [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2025/07/msg00074.html

    --

    Jonathan Dowland
    [email protected]
    https://jmtd.net

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