Source: lcas
Version: 1.3.19-2.1
Severity: important
X-Debbugs-Cc: Dennis van Dok <[email protected]>, Mischa Salle <[email protected]>, Debian QA Group <[email protected]>, [email protected], Package Salvaging Team <[email protected]>

Hi,

This is an attempt to introduce a new procedure, which I propose to call
Intend To Orphan. While we have an established process for making minimal, fine-grained changes to a package, it does not cover broader
improvements such as migrating to Salsa, updating the Standards-Version,
or adjusting the debhelper compatibility level. However, some packages
could benefit from more extensive changes, and this procedure aims to
provide a structured way to implement them. Unlike the well-established
Package Salvage procedure[1] which requires an active Uploader, the goal
here is to allow collaborative work on a package on Salsa, even if no
active uploader expresses interest in maintaining it.

Maintainer set to Debian QA Group <[email protected]>

If you do not agree to large-scale changes to this package, including maintaining it on Salsa, feel free to close this bug or tag it as
'wontfix' to inform others. There is no obligation to continue reading
if your stance is clear, and that decision will, of course, be
respected.

Otherwise, I will follow the well-established timing of the ITS
procedure, waiting 21 days before performing a QA Upload to delayed=10. Specifically, since we are approaching the freeze the upload will be
delayed until after Trixie is released.

This procedure has not yet reached consensus--I am simply exploring
whether it could be accepted. It remains open for discussion,
particularly at DebConf25. Please keep in mind that the goal of this
process is to help ensure that packages remain up to date and well
maintained. If you have suggestions for improving it, your feedback is
most welcome.

I'm interested in orphaning the package lcas. It meets the following
criteria:

- NMUs
- Bugs filed against the package do not have answers from the
maintainer.
- There are QA issues with the package.
- Not on Salsa but it could profit from team maintenance
- No maintainer upload in the last 11 years
- Standards-Version < 4

I have set up a repository within Debian/[2]. This team functions
similarly to the former collab-maint on Alioth, allowing any Debian
Developer to make team uploads. I understand that some maintainers may
prefer not to transition to collaborative maintenance, and I want to
emphasize that this is not intended as a hostile action. My goal is to
make the transition to using a Git repository on Salsa smoother and more convenient for you.

This package was highlighted in the Bug of the Day[3] initiative, which
aims to introduce newcomers to manageable tasks and guide them through
the workflow to solve them. The focus of this initiative is on migrating packages to Salsa, as it's a great way to help newcomers become familiar
with a consistent Git-based workflow.

Kind regards
Andreas.

[1] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging
[2] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/lcas
[3] https://salsa.debian.org/qa/tiny_qa_tools/-/wikis/Tiny-QA-tasks



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Hi Dennis,

thanks you for your quick and helpful response.

Am Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 04:58:36PM +0200 schrieb Dennis van Dok:

I would like to go along with most of the proposed changes, but the package is, in fact, still under maintenance even if we've been a bit quiet of late.

That's perfectly fine. I reverted the change of Maintainer/Uploader in
Git[1] to reflect that you intend to maintain the package in future.

The move to salsa for maintenance is very welcome in particular and I appreciate the updates that have been done to bring the packaging up to
date.

Thank you for confirming this. Would you mind if I upload the current
status in Git on behalf of the Debian/ team (that means any DD is part
of the team and can do team uploads). This is implicitly said by pointing
the Vcs fields to the Debian group on Salsa (as former collab-maint on
Alioth).

We will be bringing out an updated version soon to address the GCC-15 bug.

Feel free to apply the patch if you consider it appropriate.

One thing to mention is that this package has very few uses left; it is, as far as we know, only a build dependency for lcas-lcmaps-gt4-interface. But this could change if we repackage the latter without LCAS support. At that moment LCAS would be free to be removed.

Thank you for this information.

Kind regards and sorry in case the "Intend to Orphan" procedure might
have caused any bad feelings at your side

Andreas.


[1] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/lcas/-/commit/4ee36ddfebe1f5f2225e4c20dc07580b1757e1bb
[2] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/lcas/-/blob/master/debian/patches/gcc-15.patch?ref_type=heads

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Hi Dennis,

Am Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 05:01:32PM +0200 schrieb Dennis van Dok:

Thank you for confirming this. Would you mind if I upload the current status in Git on behalf of the Debian/ team (that means any DD is part
of the team and can do team uploads). This is implicitly said by pointing the Vcs fields to the Debian group on Salsa (as former collab-maint on Alioth).

I've already uploaded a new version, based on salsa; I've forked it to my
own space though. I have kept most of the notes in the changelog for correct attribution. I hope that does it justice.

That's perfectly fine and I'll ask for removal of the repository in the
Debian team. The only thing is that we should not upload under freeze
policy. Anyway, I think your upload is harmless. Thank you for
catching up.

Feel free to apply the patch if you consider it appropriate.

It proved a good basis for the improvements ;-)

:-)

Kind regards and sorry in case the "Intend to Orphan" procedure might
have caused any bad feelings at your side

No bad feelings, I'm happy with the improvements. Thank you very much!

You are perfectly welcome and thanks a lot for catching up

Andreas.


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