Package: devscripts
Version: 2.25.15
Severity: wishlist
Control: affects -1 madison-lite

madison-lite (which I wrote and maintain) and rmadison were both named
after the dak command "madison" before it was very sensibly renamed to
"dak ls" in 2006 (in rmadison's case only a few months before that).
There are two problems with retaining the current naming:

* It's pretty opaque if you don't remember dak's original naming,
requiring explanations in documentation (which in turn some people
have found to be confusing, e.g. https://bugs.debian.org/622317).

* The original naming scheme was honestly pretty gross, being
essentially "attractive famous women"
(https://salsa.debian.org/ftp-team/dak/-/blob/704108dfd7a9afe38cdb18463b71bd4739dda9ce/docs/README.names),
and it would be good to finish getting rid of it. (I appreciate that
there are some other vestiges of that era, notably "britney".)

I'd like to find a new name for madison-lite, and it would make sense
for that name to be in sync with rmadison. The main obstacle is that I
can't think of a good one. "dak ls" is perfectly fine in that context,
but it's too specific for something like this as neither madison-lite
nor rmadison care whether the archive is managed by dak.
"debian-archive-ls" is cumbersome, and also too specific since e.g.
"rmadison -u ubuntu" is currently backed by madison-lite.

Does anyone have any better ideas?

Thanks,

--
Colin Watson (he/him) [[email protected]]

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On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 12:23:44PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:

I'd like to find a new name for madison-lite, and it would make sense
for that name to be in sync with rmadison. The main obstacle is that I can't think of a good one. "dak ls" is perfectly fine in that context,
but it's too specific for something like this as neither madison-lite
nor rmadison care whether the archive is managed by dak. "debian-archive-ls" is cumbersome, and also too specific since e.g. "rmadison -u ubuntu" is currently backed by madison-lite.

I applaud your suggestion to rename these commands! For names, I can also
only add to the brainstorming: archive-query? aq? arq? remote-archive-information? rai?

hmmm. :)


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* Holger Levsen <[email protected]> [250709 14:15]:

On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 12:23:44PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:

I'd like to find a new name for madison-lite, and it would make sense
for that name to be in sync with rmadison. The main obstacle is that I
can't think of a good one. "dak ls" is perfectly fine in that context,
but it's too specific for something like this as neither madison-lite
nor rmadison care whether the archive is managed by dak.
"debian-archive-ls" is cumbersome, and also too specific since e.g.
"rmadison -u ubuntu" is currently backed by madison-lite.

I applaud your suggestion to rename these commands! For names, I can also >only add to the brainstorming: archive-query? aq? arq? remote-archive-information? rai?

rdak-ls?

Chris

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