• Bug#1107479: util-linux: blkid hangs forever after inserting a DVD-RAM

    From Christoph Hellwig@1:229/2 to Jens Axboe on Thu Jul 3 12:20:01 2025
    XPost: linux.debian.kernel
    From: [email protected]

    On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 05:13:45PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
    My conslusion is that pktcdvd is eqaully broken for CD-RWs.

    Not surprising. Maybe we should take another stab at killing it
    from the kernel.

    Yes, please. I don't mind having this support, but it needs an
    active maintainer. And even if it was actively maintained it'd
    probably do better by being integrated into sr and the generic
    cdrom layer than this stacked design.

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  • From Andy Shevchenko@21:1/5 to Jens Axboe on Tue Jul 8 13:50:01 2025
    XPost: linux.debian.kernel

    On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 05:13:45PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
    On 7/2/25 5:08 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
    On Sun, 2025-06-29 at 12:26 +0200, Uwe Kleine-K�nig wrote:
    On Sun, Jun 29, 2025 at 11:46:00AM +0200, Roland Sommer wrote:

    Huh, how did I manage that (rhetorical question)? Thanks

    Ahh, now that makes sense. pktsetup calls `/sbin/modprobe pktcdvd`
    explicitly, the blacklist entry doesn't help for that. Without the
    kernel module renamed, does the 2nd DVD-RAM result in the blocking
    behaviour?

    Yes.

    OK, that makes sense. So udev does in this order:

    - auto-load the module (which is suppressed with the backlist entry)
    - call blkid (which blocks if the module is loaded)
    - call pktsetup (which loads the module even in presence of the
    blacklist entry).
    [...]

    I tested with a CD-RW, and the behaviour was slightly different:

    - Nothing automtically created a pktcdvd device, so blkid initially
    worked with a CD-RW inserted and the pktcdvd modules loaded.
    - After running pktsetup to create the block device /dev/pktcdvd/0,
    blkid and any other program attempting to open that device hung.

    My conslusion is that pktcdvd is eqaully broken for CD-RWs.

    Not surprising. Maybe we should take another stab at killing it
    from the kernel.

    In the commit 4b83e99ee709 ("Revert "pktcdvd: remove driver."") you wrote
    that we would wait for better user space solution is developed. Any news there?

    Just asking (I'm in favour to kill the old fart) as you haven't mentioned that in a new attempt.

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    With Best Regards,
    Andy Shevchenko

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  • From Andy Shevchenko@21:1/5 to Jens Axboe on Wed Jul 9 11:10:02 2025
    XPost: linux.debian.kernel

    On Tue, Jul 08, 2025 at 09:32:19AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
    On 7/8/25 5:35 AM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
    On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 05:13:45PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
    On 7/2/25 5:08 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
    On Sun, 2025-06-29 at 12:26 +0200, Uwe Kleine-K?nig wrote:
    On Sun, Jun 29, 2025 at 11:46:00AM +0200, Roland Sommer wrote:

    Huh, how did I manage that (rhetorical question)? Thanks

    Ahh, now that makes sense. pktsetup calls `/sbin/modprobe pktcdvd` >>>>>> explicitly, the blacklist entry doesn't help for that. Without the >>>>>> kernel module renamed, does the 2nd DVD-RAM result in the blocking >>>>>> behaviour?

    Yes.

    OK, that makes sense. So udev does in this order:

    - auto-load the module (which is suppressed with the backlist entry) >>>> - call blkid (which blocks if the module is loaded)
    - call pktsetup (which loads the module even in presence of the
    blacklist entry).
    [...]

    I tested with a CD-RW, and the behaviour was slightly different:

    - Nothing automtically created a pktcdvd device, so blkid initially
    worked with a CD-RW inserted and the pktcdvd modules loaded.
    - After running pktsetup to create the block device /dev/pktcdvd/0,
    blkid and any other program attempting to open that device hung.

    My conslusion is that pktcdvd is eqaully broken for CD-RWs.

    Not surprising. Maybe we should take another stab at killing it
    from the kernel.

    In the commit 4b83e99ee709 ("Revert "pktcdvd: remove driver."") you
    wrote that we would wait for better user space solution is developed.
    Any news there?

    Just asking (I'm in favour to kill the old fart) as you haven't
    mentioned that in a new attempt.

    No work has been done there, to my knowledge. But as the current driver
    is totally broken and people aren't even complaining about that (outside
    of running into that for unrelated reasons), I don't think there's any
    reason for keeping the driver in-tree.

    Sure, thanks for clarifications!

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    With Best Regards,
    Andy Shevchenko

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