• Bug#264266: Another cron script

    From Josselin Mouette@1:229/2 to All on Tue Aug 17 11:10:10 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mercredi 11 août 2004 à 11:43 +0200, Christian Marillat a écrit :
    Hi,

    I forgot to remove /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults in my script and I've removed the debugging lines (echo)

    This script is completely stupid, it removes all local customization by
    the administrator.
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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Josselin Mouette on Tue Aug 17 12:10:11 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Josselin Mouette <[email protected]> writes:

    Le mercredi 11 ao�t 2004 � 11:43 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :
    Hi,

    I forgot to remove /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults in my script and I've
    removed the debugging lines (echo)

    This script is completely stupid, it removes all local customization by
    the administrator.

    If the administrator wants to change something, this change should be
    done in a shemas file. And for that reason a shemas file is a
    configuration file and the idea to move these files to /usr/share is
    completely stupid.

    Christian

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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Josselin Mouette on Tue Aug 17 12:40:08 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Josselin Mouette <[email protected]> writes:

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 11:51 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :
    This script is completely stupid, it removes all local customization by
    the administrator.

    If the administrator wants to change something, this change should be
    done in a shemas file. And for that reason a shemas file is a
    configuration file and the idea to move these files to /usr/share is
    completely stupid.

    No. Upstream recommends the sysadmin not to change .schema files, but
    rather to use gconftool. Changing the .schema file is likely to make the package break on the next update. Don't assume blindly that this change
    was made without consulting upstream.

    With gconftool you can only change configuration per user, with shemas
    files you can changes configuration for all users, like configuring a
    proxy.

    Christian

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  • From Josselin Mouette@1:229/2 to All on Tue Aug 17 12:50:06 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mardi 17 août 2004 à 11:51 +0200, Christian Marillat a écrit :
    This script is completely stupid, it removes all local customization by
    the administrator.

    If the administrator wants to change something, this change should be
    done in a shemas file. And for that reason a shemas file is a
    configuration file and the idea to move these files to /usr/share is completely stupid.

    No. Upstream recommends the sysadmin not to change .schema files, but
    rather to use gconftool. Changing the .schema file is likely to make the package break on the next update. Don't assume blindly that this change
    was made without consulting upstream.
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  • From Josselin Mouette@1:229/2 to All on Tue Aug 17 13:10:09 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mardi 17 août 2004 à 12:23 +0200, Christian Marillat a écrit :
    With gconftool you can only change configuration per user, with shemas
    files you can changes configuration for all users, like configuring a
    proxy.

    You can also change the configuration for all users using gconftool --
    direct on the /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults source.
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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Josselin Mouette on Tue Aug 17 13:40:13 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Josselin Mouette <[email protected]> writes:

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 12:23 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :
    With gconftool you can only change configuration per user, with shemas
    files you can changes configuration for all users, like configuring a
    proxy.

    You can also change the configuration for all users using gconftool --
    direct on the /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults source.

    And for now we don't have any tool to manage that. i'm not talking about
    a shell script, but for a real tool, with a configuration file whom
    contains keys and values.

    Christian

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  • From Ross Burton@1:229/2 to Christian Marillat on Tue Aug 17 14:00:16 2004
    From: [email protected]

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 13:21 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    You can also change the configuration for all users using gconftool -- direct on the /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults source.

    And for now we don't have any tool to manage that. i'm not talking about
    a shell script, but for a real tool, with a configuration file whom
    contains keys and values.

    The GNOME GConf Editor can set default and mandatory values if you have
    the appropriate permissions.

    Ross
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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Ross Burton on Tue Aug 17 14:20:07 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Ross Burton <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 13:21 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    You can also change the configuration for all users using gconftool --
    direct on the /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults source.

    And for now we don't have any tool to manage that. i'm not talking about
    a shell script, but for a real tool, with a configuration file whom
    contains keys and values.

    The GNOME GConf Editor can set default and mandatory values if you have
    the appropriate permissions.

    Of course using gconf-editor to changes 20 values is very usefull. click
    click click. Ha shit where is this key ?

    Christian


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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Ross Burton on Tue Aug 17 14:30:13 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Ross Burton <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 13:51 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Of course using gconf-editor to changes 20 values is very usefull. click
    click click. Ha shit where is this key ?

    This is off-topic. Schema files only set defaults as installed by the packages, administrators manipulate the defaults and mandatory
    configuration trees. This is how upstream has designed the
    architecture.

    This is how you are thinking that upstream should use schemas
    files. You have filled a bug to move schemas files in /usr/share. This
    is your point of view, not the one of other people.

    However, you have a common use-case where you want to change 20
    different keys to the same value? I can't see any other use for

    I don't want to change 20 keys to the same value. I want to change 20
    keys. And gconf-editor is not the tool for that.

    [...]

    Does gtkalog have a shift-selection on multiple check boxes in the preferences dialog? Maybe I should file a bug if not...

    gtkalog ? I don't understand what is gtkalog ?

    Christian


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  • From Sebastien Bacher@1:229/2 to All on Tue Aug 17 15:10:14 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 14:07 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :
    Ross Burton <[email protected]> writes:

    This is how you are thinking that upstream should use schemas
    files. You have filled a bug to move schemas files in /usr/share. This
    is your point of view, not the one of other people.


    Have you read the discussion with the upstreams on gtk-gnome about the
    schemas move ? If not you should read it. If yes you should read it
    again.


    Cheers,

    Sebastien Bacher



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  • From Carlos Perello Marin@1:229/2 to Christian Marillat on Tue Aug 17 15:10:16 2004
    From: [email protected]

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 14:07 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Ross Burton <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 13:51 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Of course using gconf-editor to changes 20 values is very usefull. click >> click click. Ha shit where is this key ?

    This is off-topic. Schema files only set defaults as installed by the packages, administrators manipulate the defaults and mandatory configuration trees. This is how upstream has designed the
    architecture.

    This is how you are thinking that upstream should use schemas
    files. You have filled a bug to move schemas files in /usr/share. This
    is your point of view, not the one of other people.

    Christian, please, talk with upstream or read the gconf documentation
    and then we continue talking.

    Upstream want to move also the schemas files out of /etc.

    Cheers.

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    http://carlos.pemas.net
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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Carlos Perello Marin on Tue Aug 17 15:50:07 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Carlos Perello Marin <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 14:07 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Ross Burton <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 13:51 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Of course using gconf-editor to changes 20 values is very usefull. click >> >> click click. Ha shit where is this key ?

    This is off-topic. Schema files only set defaults as installed by the
    packages, administrators manipulate the defaults and mandatory
    configuration trees. This is how upstream has designed the
    architecture.

    This is how you are thinking that upstream should use schemas
    files. You have filled a bug to move schemas files in /usr/share. This
    is your point of view, not the one of other people.

    Christian, please, talk with upstream or read the gconf documentation
    and then we continue talking.

    Upstream want to move also the schemas files out of /etc.

    Well, should I wait to read all the GNOME Team comments ?

    Frankly I don't care if schemas files are in /usr/share or in /etc, you
    really can't imagine how I don't care.

    Christian


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  • From Carlos Perello Marin@1:229/2 to Christian Marillat on Tue Aug 17 16:00:12 2004
    From: [email protected]

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 15:18 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Carlos Perello Marin <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 14:07 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Ross Burton <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 13:51 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Of course using gconf-editor to changes 20 values is very usefull. click
    click click. Ha shit where is this key ?

    This is off-topic. Schema files only set defaults as installed by the
    packages, administrators manipulate the defaults and mandatory
    configuration trees. This is how upstream has designed the
    architecture.

    This is how you are thinking that upstream should use schemas
    files. You have filled a bug to move schemas files in /usr/share. This
    is your point of view, not the one of other people.

    Christian, please, talk with upstream or read the gconf documentation
    and then we continue talking.

    Upstream want to move also the schemas files out of /etc.

    Well, should I wait to read all the GNOME Team comments ?

    No, just read the gconf documentation.


    Frankly I don't care if schemas files are in /usr/share or in /etc, you really can't imagine how I don't care.

    Then, please stop comment on things you don't know a word guessing that
    the others also don't know anything and let's them work.

    Thank you.


    Christian
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  • From Sebastien Bacher@1:229/2 to All on Tue Aug 17 16:10:11 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 15:18 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :

    Frankly I don't care if schemas files are in /usr/share or in /etc, you really can't imagine how I don't care.

    Nice, so you can stop making noise for nothing in the BTS ?


    Thanks,

    Sebastien Bacher



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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Carlos Perello Marin on Tue Aug 17 16:40:13 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Carlos Perello Marin <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 15:18 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Carlos Perello Marin <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 14:07 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Ross Burton <[email protected]> writes:

    On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 13:51 +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
    Of course using gconf-editor to changes 20 values is very usefull. click
    click click. Ha shit where is this key ?

    This is off-topic. Schema files only set defaults as installed by the >> >> > packages, administrators manipulate the defaults and mandatory
    configuration trees. This is how upstream has designed the
    architecture.

    This is how you are thinking that upstream should use schemas
    files. You have filled a bug to move schemas files in /usr/share. This
    is your point of view, not the one of other people.

    Christian, please, talk with upstream or read the gconf documentation
    and then we continue talking.

    Upstream want to move also the schemas files out of /etc.

    Well, should I wait to read all the GNOME Team comments ?

    No, just read the gconf documentation.

    Frankly I don't care if schemas files are in /usr/share or in /etc, you
    really can't imagine how I don't care.

    Then, please stop comment on things you don't know a word guessing that
    the others also don't know anything and let's them work.

    Arf LOL. You are too funny. Another one ?

    Christian


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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Sebastien Bacher on Tue Aug 17 16:40:15 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Sebastien Bacher <[email protected]> writes:

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 15:18 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :

    Frankly I don't care if schemas files are in /usr/share or in /etc, you
    really can't imagine how I don't care.

    Nice, so you can stop making noise for nothing in the BTS ?

    Certainly not wait for my next bug reports. I'm a player.

    Christian

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  • From Sebastien Bacher@1:229/2 to All on Tue Aug 17 16:50:06 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 16:16 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :
    Sebastien Bacher <[email protected]> writes:

    Nice, so you can stop making noise for nothing in the BTS ?

    Certainly not wait for my next bug reports. I'm a player.

    Ok, so these bug reports are a game and not real ones ... I think you
    can play alone, we'll just ignore your bug reports from now.


    Cheers,

    Sebastien Bacher



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  • From Christian Marillat@1:229/2 to Sebastien Bacher on Tue Aug 17 17:00:11 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Sebastien Bacher <[email protected]> writes:

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 16:16 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :
    Sebastien Bacher <[email protected]> writes:

    Nice, so you can stop making noise for nothing in the BTS ?

    Certainly not wait for my next bug reports. I'm a player.

    Ok, so these bug reports are a game and not real ones ... I think you
    can play alone, we'll just ignore your bug reports from now.

    I really want to know why you are replying to bug report who are not
    concerned. I've started this discussion with josselin not you.

    Ignoring bug reports is certainly a bad idea and prove your
    intelligence. But do you have one ?

    Christian

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  • From Sebastien Bacher@1:229/2 to All on Tue Aug 17 17:10:12 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 16:34 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :
    Sebastien Bacher <[email protected]> writes:

    I really want to know why you are replying to bug report who are not concerned. I've started this discussion with josselin not you.

    Because the alioth list get all the bug reports for GNOME packages and I
    get it.


    Ignoring bug reports is certainly a bad idea and prove your
    intelligence. But do you have one ?

    I don't ignore bug reports, I just ignore your stupid game that's all.
    Perhaps you like to play, no problem, but there is some other places
    more appropriate for this than the BTS.

    BTW I'm stoping here there is no need to flooding the BTS for this.

    Cheers,

    Sebastien Bacher





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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl?= ""Surcou@1:229/2 to All on Thu Aug 19 00:10:10 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Le mardi 17 ao�t 2004 � 13:51 +0200, Christian Marillat a �crit :

    And for now we don't have any tool to manage that. i'm not talking about >> a shell script, but for a real tool, with a configuration file whom
    contains keys and values.

    Do you know about cfengine ?

    The GNOME GConf Editor can set default and mandatory values if you have
    the appropriate permissions.

    Of course using gconf-editor to changes 20 values is very usefull. click click click. Ha shit where is this key ?

    You can use gconftool-2 as a CLI to include it in yours scripts (bash,
    perl, cfengine, whatever you want) like this:

    $ gconftool-2 --set /system/proxy/autoconfig_url \
    -t string "http://www-cache.debianfr.net/proxy.pac"
    $ gconftool-2 --get /system/proxy/autoconfig_url http://www-cache.debianfr.net/proxy.pac

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