• Re: [Spi-trademark] Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

    From Bruce Perens@1:229/2 to Luis R. Rodriguez on Wed Aug 18 08:10:08 2004
    XPost: linux.debian.legal
    From: [email protected]

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    Luis,
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    SPI isn't Debian's master.* SPI can not change licensing on Debian's
    property without direction from the Debian project. And the requested
    change is not trademark-related, it is entirely about copyright terms.

    Please arrange for your project to officially change the license. The
    project leader can do it by fiat (it is a simple thing, after all) or
    you can do it through your resolution process. Tell us when you are done.

    Thanks

    Bruce

    Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:

    SPI Trademark Team, SPI Legal Counsel, and Debian SPI Project Leader,

    I am the mantiner of the new grub-splashimages debian package and was >recently submitted a very nice Debian splashimage [0]. The splashimage makes >use of the Debian Open Use Logo [1] but unfortunately due to default licencing >and to the very vague copyright notice, and confirmed by debian-legal on
    a thread regarding this [2] the logos are not compatible with the DFSG
    [3]. This is horrible. Debian should set an example and use the DFSG
    for its artwork. We would like to ask for a change of the license to the
    Open Use Debian logo so that it is compatible with the DFSG.

    Looking forward for a response,

    The GRUB Packaging Team

    [0] http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/grub-images/
    [1] http://debian.org/logos
    [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265352
    [3] http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines





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    Luis,<br>
    <b><br>
    SPI isn't Debian's master.</b> SPI can not change licensing on Debian's property without direction from the Debian project. And the requested
    change is not trademark-related, it is entirely about copyright terms.<br>

    Please arrange for your project to officially change the license. The
    project leader can do it by fiat (it is a simple thing, after all) or
    you can do it through your resolution process. Tell us when you are
    done.<br>

    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks<br>

    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bruce<br>

    Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
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    SPI Trademark Team, SPI Legal Counsel, and Debian SPI Project Leader,

    I am the mantiner of the new grub-splashimages debian package and was
    recently submitted a very nice Debian splashimage [0]. The splashimage makes use of the Debian Open Use Logo [1] but unfortunately due to default licencing and to the very vague copyright notice, and confirmed by debian-legal on
    a thread regarding this [2] the logos are not compatible with the DFSG
    [3]. This is horrible. Debian should set an example and use the DFSG
    for its artwork. We would like to ask for a change of the license to the
    Open Use Debian logo so that it is compatible with the DFSG.

    Looking forward for a response,

    The GRUB Packaging Team

    [0] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/grub-images/">http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/grub-images/</a>
    [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://debian.org/logos">http://debian.org/logos</a>
    [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265352">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265352</a>
    [3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines">http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines</a>

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  • From Luis R. Rodriguez@1:229/2 to Bruce Perens on Wed Aug 18 08:50:06 2004
    XPost: linux.debian.legal
    From: [email protected]

    Bruce,

    On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 11:07:31PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
    Luis,
    *
    SPI isn't Debian's master.* SPI can not change licensing on Debian's
    property without direction from the Debian project. And the requested
    change is not trademark-related, it is entirely about copyright terms.

    I figured but was mentioned on the thread SPI would be holder of the copyrights. Was also advised to e-mail trademark lists. Thanks for your
    reply though.

    Please arrange for your project to officially change the license. The
    project leader can do it by fiat (it is a simple thing, after all) or
    you can do it through your resolution process. Tell us when you are done.

    Do you want us to remove you guys off this thread until we settle the
    score?

    Anyone know who it is we are really supposed to be addressing this
    request to then? Debian-legal, any more advice?

    Thanks,

    Luis


    Thanks

    Bruce

    Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:

    SPI Trademark Team, SPI Legal Counsel, and Debian SPI Project Leader,

    I am the mantiner of the new grub-splashimages debian package and was >recently submitted a very nice Debian splashimage [0]. The splashimage >makes
    use of the Debian Open Use Logo [1] but unfortunately due to default >licencing and to the very vague copyright notice, and confirmed by >debian-legal on
    a thread regarding this [2] the logos are not compatible with the DFSG
    [3]. This is horrible. Debian should set an example and use the DFSG
    for its artwork. We would like to ask for a change of the license to the >Open Use Debian logo so that it is compatible with the DFSG.

    Looking forward for a response,

    The GRUB Packaging Team

    [0] http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/grub-images/
    [1] http://debian.org/logos
    [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265352
    [3] http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines







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  • From Freek Dijkstra@1:229/2 to Luis R. Rodriguez on Wed Aug 18 09:50:04 2004
    XPost: linux.debian.legal
    From: [email protected]

    On 18-8-2004 08:22, "Luis R. Rodriguez" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Please arrange for your project to officially change the license. The
    project leader can do it by fiat (it is a simple thing, after all) or
    you can do it through your resolution process. Tell us when you are done.

    Anyone know who it is we are really supposed to be addressing this
    request to then? Debian-legal, any more advice?

    Luis,

    The "resolution process" is described in the Debian constitution (appendix A
    I belief), and involves getting a vote out: http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution
    http://www.debian.org/vote

    I'm not sure which project Bruce refers to when he talks about the "project leader" here. I assume the "Debian project". Apparently. SPI will change the licence if the Debian project tells them to.

    Regards,
    Freek

    PS: I stripped most people from the cc. Feel free to strip more or add them again.




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  • From Robert Millan@1:229/2 to Bruce Perens on Wed Aug 18 13:40:09 2004
    XPost: linux.debian.legal
    From: [email protected]

    On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 12:15:39AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
    Do you want us to remove you guys off this thread until we settle the >score?

    I am fine with being on the list, but please refrain from blaming SPI
    for this not being done. There were a number of comments to that effect attached to the bug report.

    I guess this goes for me, too. Please excuse me, I wasn't aware of the real situation. It's pretty understandable that SPI defends Debian's interests, even if such interests are wrong.

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    (Debra and Ian) (Gnu's Not (UNiplexed Information and Computing System))/\ (kernel of *(Berkeley Software Distribution))


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