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  • Bug#265272: mozilla-thunderbird: Recommend a real myspell package in fa

    From Jonas Smedegaard@1:229/2 to All on Thu Aug 12 16:00:15 2004
    From: [email protected]

    Package: mozilla-thunderbird
    Version: 0.7.3-1
    Severity: normal

    As subject says, mozilla-thunderbird should recommend a real myspell
    package in favor of the virtual myspell-dictionary.

    For a more detailed explanation, see Bug#264229 against mozilla.

    Kind regards,

    - Jonas


    -- System Information:
    Debian Release: 3.1
    APT prefers unstable
    APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
    Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
    Kernel: Linux 2.6.7-powerpc
    Locale: LANG=da_DK, LC_CTYPE=da_DK

    Versions of packages mozilla-thunderbird depends on:
    ii libatk1.0-0 1.6.1-3 The ATK accessibility toolkit
    ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an ii libfontconfig1 2.2.3-1 generic font configuration library ii libfreetype6 2.1.7-2.2 FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib ii libgcc1 1:3.4.1-5 GCC support library
    ii libglib2.0-0 2.4.5-2 The GLib library of C routines
    ii libgtk2.0-0 2.4.4-2 The GTK+ graphical user interface ii libpango1.0-0 1.4.1-1 Layout and rendering of internatio ii libstdc++5 1:3.3.4-7 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
    ii libx11-6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 X Window System protocol client li ii libxext6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 X Window System miscellaneous exte ii libxft2 2.1.2-6 FreeType-based font drawing librar ii libxp6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 X Window System printing extension ii libxrender1 0.8.3-7 X Rendering Extension client libra ii libxt6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 X Toolkit Intrinsics
    ii xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 X Window System client libraries m ii zlib1g 1:1.2.1.1-5 compression library - runtime

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  • From Alexander Sack@1:229/2 to All on Sat Aug 14 17:20:06 2004
    From: [email protected]

    As subject says, mozilla-thunderbird should recommend a real myspell
    package in favor of the virtual myspell-dictionary.


    Which one?

    Can't see that it will help anyway. Why not use myspell-ca? Maybe
    because most people live in the us?? So should I change to chinese
    myspell if available?? No. I think the virtual package is OK for that
    purpose. People should explicitly decide which dictionaries to use
    IMHO. But maybe I don't get that right and you refer to another bug?


    Thx

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  • From Jonas Smedegaard@1:229/2 to Alexander Sack on Sun Aug 15 03:30:08 2004
    From: [email protected]

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    On 14-08-2004 16:48, Alexander Sack wrote:
    |
    As subject says, mozilla-thunderbird should recommend a real myspell
    package in favor of the virtual myspell-dictionary.


    | Which one?
    |
    | Can't see that it will help anyway. Why not use myspell-ca? Maybe
    | because most people live in the us?? So should I change to chinese
    | myspell if available?? No. I think the virtual package is OK for that
    | purpose. People should explicitly decide which dictionaries to use
    | IMHO. But maybe I don't get that right and you refer to another bug?

    I am Dane, and I thought similar myself at first. But as is you are
    never asked to choose your preferred dictionary when depending on just
    the virtual one - a (more or less) random one is simply chosen for you,
    and the most sane one to automatically install is an english one IMHO.

    Consider that wenglish is priority standard as the only wordlist, based
    on same logic.

    So, to answer your question: recommend the US english myspell dictionary
    as the preferred one over the virtual package.


    ~ - Jonas

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  • From Alexander Sack@1:229/2 to All on Sun Aug 15 17:30:10 2004
    From: [email protected]

    I am Dane, and I thought similar myself at first. But as is you are
    never asked to choose your preferred dictionary when depending on just
    the virtual one - a (more or less) random one is simply chosen for you,
    and the most sane one to automatically install is an english one IMHO.

    I still can't see the problem. IMHO, this is a problem of your preferred frontend not of
    the recommends list. Try dselect or synaptic instead of apt-get and you
    will get what
    you want. I tried them both and didn't get any automatic selections in
    them.
    Just was shown a list of valid possibilities.

    Do I get something wrong?

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  • From Jonas Smedegaard@1:229/2 to Alexander Sack on Sun Aug 15 19:00:09 2004
    From: [email protected]

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    On 15-08-2004 17:02, Alexander Sack wrote:
    |
    I am Dane, and I thought similar myself at first. But as is you are
    never asked to choose your preferred dictionary when depending on
    just the virtual one - a (more or less) random one is simply chosen
    for you, and the most sane one to automatically install is an
    english one IMHO.
    |
    |
    | I still can't see the problem.

    Did you read Bug#264229 as I suggested?


    | IMHO, this is a problem of your preferred frontend not of the
    | recommends list. Try dselect or synaptic instead of apt-get and you
    | will get what you want. I tried them both and didn't get any
    | automatic selections in them.

    I don't use apt-get, and I am able to select the myspell-dictionary I
    prefer - that is not the problem.

    What is wrong is what happens when I do _not_ explicitly choose a
    dictionary while (or before) installing mozilla-thunderbird: then
    currently a (more or less) random dictionary is pulled in (when using a
    package tool that respects the "Recommends: field").

    Debian Policy, section 7.4, says:

    | If you want to specify which of a set of real packages should be the
    | default to satisfy a particular dependency on a virtual package, you
    | should list the real package as an alternative before the virtual
    | one.

    Debian speaks english by default, and what I ask is that you make your
    package reflect this (like the other packages recommending
    myspell-dictionaries does already: mozilla-mailnews, mozilla-browser):

    Change "Recommends: myspell-dictionary" to "Recommends: myspell-en-us | myspell-dictionary".


    Alternatively, if you do not want to promote the english dictionary,
    then lower the myspell-dictionary dependency to Suggests: (like
    openoffice.org does).


    ~ - Jonas

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