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  • Bug#267059: Installation report: RC1

    From Michael Satterwhite@1:229/2 to All on Fri Aug 20 15:50:14 2004
    XPost: linux.debian.maint.boot
    From: [email protected]

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    Package: installation-reports

    Debian-installer-version: <8/18/2004 RC1>
    uname -a: Linux
    Date: 8/18/2004 15:00
    Method: <NetInst What did you boot off? CDRom

    Machine: <Dell Inspiron 4000
    Processor: PIII
    Memory: 256Mb
    Root Device: /dev/hda3
    Root Size/partition table: 19.5 Mb
    Output of lspci:

    Base System Installation Checklist:

    Initial boot worked: [O]
    Configure network HW: [O]
    Config network: [O]
    Detect CD: [O]
    Load installer modules: [O]
    Detect hard drives: [O]
    Partition hard drives: [O]
    Create file systems: [O]
    Mount partitions: [O]
    Install base system: [O]
    Install boot loader: [O]
    Reboot: [O]
    [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

    Comments/Problems:

    I used this install to test the use of a wireless card for network access. My card (Linksys WPC11v3) was detected and worked perfectly.

    ***PROBLEM: The new installation routine does not install development tools. The nature of Linux with the near standard of ./configure make makes the resultant system very weak. In addition, adding the tools afterward is very error prone. I've used apt to install gcc, g++, etc and (after 2 days) am still not able to compile because of a missing cc1plus. Older versions of the installer made installation of development tools a simple matter of one selection during installation. Either apt needs to be able to actually
    install working compilers or the installer needs to be able to set up the compilation tools - preferably both should work. The removal of the feature
    to install development tools makes the installation of Linux from this
    version of the installer all but useless. Please consider putting the ability to install development tools as part of the base install back in the
    intaller. This change is a giant step backward.

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  • From Christian Perrier@1:229/2 to All on Fri Aug 20 18:50:08 2004
    XPost: linux.debian.maint.boot
    From: [email protected]

    ***PROBLEM: The new installation routine does not install development tools.

    I may be wrong, but IIRC tasksel still includes a "Development"
    task.....so you have this possibility when you got the tasksel screen.

    However, this depends whether you had apt working in 2nd stage...and downloading all tasks.

    to install development tools as part of the base install back in the intaller. This change is a giant step backward.


    Well, for you....for Joe User who don't event known about make, this
    is probably not that a problem..:-)




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  • From Michael Satterwhite@1:229/2 to Christian Perrier on Fri Aug 20 19:10:11 2004
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    On Friday 20 August 2004 11:23, Christian Perrier wrote:
    ***PROBLEM: The new installation routine does not install development tools.

    I may be wrong, but IIRC tasksel still includes a "Development"
    task.....so you have this possibility when you got the tasksel screen.

    OK, I may need to do a new test (I don't mind) to check this. During install, I started the install with a simple boot, took defaults. When I reached the installation method, I used FTP. After moving forward, I reached the "Choose software to install" screen. Development was not on the list.

    What is the secret to getting to the screen that has a development task?

    However, this depends whether you had apt working in 2nd stage...and downloading all tasks.

    to install development tools as part of the base install back in the intaller. This change is a giant step backward.

    Well, for you....for Joe User who don't event known about make, this
    is probably not that a problem..:-)

    <g> Point well taken. My guess is that Joe User *IS* eventually going to care,
    though. Sooner or later he's going to want to install something that doesn't have a .deb. When he get's the software, he's going to be told that all he
    has to do is

    ./configure
    make
    make install

    *NOW* he cares. He may not have any idea what these statements do, but he's going to care that he can't do them.

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  • From Thomas Poindessous@1:229/2 to Michael Satterwhite on Fri Aug 20 23:30:12 2004
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    From: [email protected]

    On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 08:17:32AM -0500, Michael Satterwhite wrote:

    ***PROBLEM: The new installation routine does not install development tools. The nature of Linux with the near standard of ./configure make makes the resultant system very weak. In addition, adding the tools afterward is very error prone. I've used apt to install gcc, g++, etc and (after 2 days) am still not able to compile because of a missing cc1plus. Older versions of the installer made installation of development tools a simple matter of one selection during installation. Either apt needs to be able to actually install working compilers or the installer needs to be able to set up the compilation tools - preferably both should work. The removal of the feature to install development tools makes the installation of Linux from this version of the installer all but useless. Please consider putting the ability to install development tools as part of the base install back in the intaller. This change is a giant step backward.

    you just need to install build-essential

    and the problem of the missing package is maybe about the gcc
    transition, it will be fixed for the release.

    And there is no more a development task. Search debian-boot archives for rationale.

    Thanks for your bug report.

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    Thomas Poindessous



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