From: [email protected]

Package: mutt
Version: 1.5.6-20040803+1
Severity: normal

When I send an e-mail and MDA fails, mutt reports that the message was not delivered and there was an error. It allows me to fix whatever the problem
was and resend.

However, if there are FCCs specified, they are still performed even in the
case of a failed delivery.

If the primary delivery mechanism (MDA) fails, please cancel the FCC segment
of the delivery.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
APT prefers unstable
APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.7
Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US

Versions of packages mutt depends on:
ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an ii libgnutls11 1.0.16-5 GNU TLS library - runtime library ii libidn11 0.4.1-1 GNU libidn library, implementation ii libncursesw5 5.4-4 Shared libraries for terminal hand ii libsasl2 2.1.18-4.1 Authentication abstraction library ii postfix [mail-transport-age 2.1.4-4 A high-performance mail transport

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From: [email protected]

hi, this was received at Debian's BTS. may I ask other list members to
briefly comment on it?

I've checked the behavior with "set sendmail=/bin/false".

* Scott Robinson [Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:48:04 -0700]:

When I send an e-mail and MDA fails, mutt reports that the message was not delivered and there was an error. It allows me to fix whatever the problem was and resend.

However, if there are FCCs specified, they are still performed even in the case of a failed delivery.

If the primary delivery mechanism (MDA) fails, please cancel the FCC segment of the delivery.

the "FCC segment of the delivery" happens *before* passing the message
onto the MTA.

Scott, can you provide us a rationale for the suggested change? I mean,
I see no *strong* objections to the current behavior.

thanks,

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From: [email protected]

Hello Scot and Package Maintainer,

Am 2004-08-11 00:48:04, schrieb Scott Robinson:

Package: mutt
Version: 1.5.6-20040803+1
Severity: normal

When I send an e-mail and MDA fails, mutt reports that the message was not delivered and there was an error. It allows me to fix whatever the problem was and resend.

However, if there are FCCs specified, they are still performed even in the case of a failed delivery.

I can confirm this behaviour since WOODY

If the primary delivery mechanism (MDA) fails, please cancel the FCC segment of the delivery.

I use ssmtp on my Workststions and Servers in conjunction with mutt.


Greetings
Michelle

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From: [email protected]

Am 2004-08-11 16:04:10, schrieb Adeodato Sim�:

hi, this was received at Debian's BTS. may I ask other list members to
briefly comment on it?

I've checked the behavior with "set sendmail=/bin/false".

* Scott Robinson [Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:48:04 -0700]:

When I send an e-mail and MDA fails, mutt reports that the message was not delivered and there was an error. It allows me to fix whatever the problem was and resend.

However, if there are FCCs specified, they are still performed even in the case of a failed delivery.

If the primary delivery mechanism (MDA) fails, please cancel the FCC segment
of the delivery.

the "FCC segment of the delivery" happens *before* passing the message
onto the MTA.

I think, this is false.
FCC must be done after a successful delivery.

Scott, can you provide us a rationale for the suggested change? I mean,
I see no *strong* objections to the current behavior.

I am on the mutt-users Mailinglist and I will ask the developer

thanks,

Greetings
Michelle

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From: [email protected]

* On 2004.08.11, in <[email protected]>,
* "Adeodato Sim�" <[email protected]> wrote:

If the primary delivery mechanism (MDA) fails, please cancel the FCC segment
of the delivery.

the "FCC segment of the delivery" happens *before* passing the message
onto the MTA.

Scott, can you provide us a rationale for the suggested change? I mean,
I see no *strong* objections to the current behavior.

You get two FCC copies with the current behavior. Or more, if it takes a
while to figure out why $sendmail failed.

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From: [email protected]

* Adeodato Sim� <[email protected]> [2004-08-11 16:04 +0200]:

hi, this was received at Debian's BTS. may I ask other list members to
briefly comment on it?

Please don't change this. I really want to keep a local copy, so if
writing the copy fails, mutt should not send the message. And I think
of problems like disc full, power outage,... which can't be detected
before writing the message.

Nicolas

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* Scott Robinson [Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:05:03 -0700]:

On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:31:56AM +0200, Adeodato Sim� wrote:
[...]

I'll close this bug, unless you can come up with *very* good reasons
to change the *default* behavior. Other than that, a user-option has
been proposed by David Champion [4].

[5] http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg06050.html

[..]

My "good" reasons were brought up in the discussion. Thanks for giving it a thought.

ack.

If a new user-option ends up coming into existance, please let me know.

well, I'll try to remember and specifically mail you. if I forget, the
debian changelog will probably mention it anyway.

cu,

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On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:31:56AM +0200, Adeodato Sim� wrote:
[...]

I'll close this bug, unless you can come up with *very* good reasons
to change the *default* behavior. Other than that, a user-option has
been proposed by David Champion [4].

[5] http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg06050.html

[..]

My "good" reasons were brought up in the discussion. Thanks for giving it a thought.

If a new user-option ends up coming into existance, please let me know.

Scott.

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