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  • Bug#182040: Request reconsideration

    From Stuart Anderson@1:229/2 to All on Wed Aug 11 06:20:08 2004
    From: [email protected]

    I would like to request that the decision to not support vpopmail in
    courier be reconsidered.

    This situation causes a regression when upgrading from woody to sarge.
    Existing mail servers, usig vpopmail & courier will stop working once
    upgraded, which will be a very unpleasant suprise for others when they
    upgrade.

    From bug #242604, it looks as though vpopmail is no longer dependent on
    qmail (it has been reduced to a suggestions). Could this possibly allow vpopmail to move out of contrib now thus resolving the dependency
    problem between courier & vpopmail?


    Stuart

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  • From Stefan Hornburg@1:229/2 to Stuart Anderson on Wed Aug 11 13:00:16 2004
    From: [email protected]

    On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:51:01 -0400 (EDT)
    Stuart Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:


    I would like to request that the decision to not support vpopmail in
    courier be reconsidered.

    Sure, I can understand that. It appears that a significant number of
    users would like to change this situation.


    This situation causes a regression when upgrading from woody to sarge. Existing mail servers, usig vpopmail & courier will stop working once upgraded, which will be a very unpleasant suprise for others when they upgrade.

    AFAICT, that is not true. Woody's courier is compiled without vpopmail
    support.


    From bug #242604, it looks as though vpopmail is no longer dependent on
    qmail (it has been reduced to a suggestions). Could this possibly allow vpopmail to move out of contrib now thus resolving the dependency
    problem between courier & vpopmail?


    That might be possible, ask debian-devel for guidance.

    However, the vpopmail maintainer claims:

    ---snip---
    VpopMail wrote esspecially to working with qmail ...
    (it uses qmail control files, and directories ...)
    And not seem the way to replace whole of that qmail functionality.
    ---snip--

    Is this true ? Does vpopmail+courier need qmail infrastructure ?

    Thanks
    Racke

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  • From Stuart Anderson@1:229/2 to Stefan Hornburg on Thu Aug 12 20:30:12 2004
    From: [email protected]

    On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Stefan Hornburg wrote:

    This situation causes a regression when upgrading from woody to sarge. Existing mail servers, usig vpopmail & courier will stop working once upgraded, which will be a very unpleasant suprise for others when they upgrade.

    AFAICT, that is not true. Woody's courier is compiled without vpopmail support.

    I have continued digging into why this hapened by comparing a server
    with a similar config that is still Woody, with the one that got
    upgraded to sarge (for a nice before and after comparison). What I
    discovered, was that I had installed (and subsequently forgotten about) courier-authvchkpw, which had come from moolfreet.com, instead of
    debian.org. The upgrade then caused this package to get uninstalled,
    thus the regression.

    Because this other package is involved, I must conceed that technically,
    this is not a regression in the packages as provided by Debian.

    However, the vpopmail maintainer claims:

    ---snip---
    VpopMail wrote esspecially to working with qmail ...
    (it uses qmail control files, and directories ...)
    And not seem the way to replace whole of that qmail functionality.
    ---snip--

    Is this true ? Does vpopmail+courier need qmail infrastructure ?

    That is the most common configuration. I think it would be possible to
    utilize vpopmail without qmail, but it would require some glue like a
    milter package to do so (and I'm not aware of anyone having done this).

    I have noticed that maildir-filter is similarly dependent on qmail, yet
    it lives in main instead of contrib. I'm pointing this out to the
    vpopmail maintainer to see if whatever ruling is being applied to maildir-filter could now be applied to the vpopmailpackage to bring them
    into main also.


    Stuart

    Stuart R. Anderson [email protected]
    Network & Software Engineering http://www.netsweng.com/ 1024D/37A79149: 0791 D3B8 9A4C 2CDC A31F
    BD03 0A62 E534 37A7 9149


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