From: [email protected]

Markus J�rvinen ([email protected]):

Billy Biggs <[email protected]>:

Hmm, if this is not feasible for tvtime is there any good app for browsing tv listings that you know of? Or do I have to continue
/:ing the xml file with vim? :)

I don't know, but I haven't looked. I always expected this would be
the best solution: some nice GTK+ XMLTV browser would be awesome,
and not very hard to write. Someone must have done this already -
and if they did, fixing it to be able to change channels in tvtime
right from the browser would be trivial. I expected the XMLTV
information in tvtime would be for quick refrence for fulscreen
viewing.

OK, but then it would be nice if the browser program could be somehow
started from tvtime also, so that it would show the current program
info directly. Or could the browser just somehow detect the current
channel itself?

It seems silly to discuss some hypothetical XMLTV app and how it could
better integrate with tvtime :) You should find a browser that you
like, and then we can figure out how to integrate it best. Yesterday I
did some work to integrate nxtvepg with tvtime by implementing
compatibility with xawtv's _XAWTV_REMOTE/_XAWTV_STATION IPC mechanism.

Previous program seems silly. We already show the title of the next
show, since this seems very useful.

Previous program information would be useful if the previous program
is running late. Sometimes an interesting program is still running
when the next should have been started.

I am worried that this would add a lot of clutter to the screen to
show information that is rarely useful.

Even though I don't think this will happen any time soon, can we
decide what the UI would be for that? Use case would be, hit
DISPLAY until you get the view with the description in the list,
then you need some key to be a "NEXT" key. [...] Would we need a
new key binding? Is there some logical key we could use?

Well, PageUp and PageDown would be quite natural for scrolling text.

Sure, but if you're a remote control user (via lirc), then you'd have
to allocate more buttons for these new commands. I guess we could have
the key binding be somewhat silent, just have the ... and if you hit
PageDown it sets some offset, draw the ellipsis at the top, etc.

Can you file a bug in the tvtime bug tracker suggesting this?

-Billy

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From: [email protected]

Package: tvtime
Version: 0.9.12-2
Severity: wishlist

I use the XMLTV feature to show program description for the current
program. Quite often the description is so long that it is shown only partially. It would be nice to be able to see it completely. Maybe there
could be some scrolling commands that could be binded to some keys. It
would also be nice if tvtime would use a bit more of the screen for the description.

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Versions of packages tvtime depends on:
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ii libxml2 2.6.11-3 GNOME XML library
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From: [email protected]

Markus J�rvinen ([email protected]):

I use the XMLTV feature to show program description for the current
program. Quite often the description is so long that it is shown only partially. It would be nice to be able to see it completely. Maybe
there could be some scrolling commands that could be binded to some
keys. It would also be nice if tvtime would use a bit more of the
screen for the description.

Scrolling keys I think would be too much of a pain in the ass to
implement. I could maybe fit another line of a description though, but
I'm worried because we're using a fair bit of room already. How big are
the descriptions from your provider??

-Billy

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From: [email protected]

On Sun, 2004-08-15 01:16, Billy Biggs wrote:

I use the XMLTV feature to show program description for the current program. Quite often the description is so long that it is shown only partially. It would be nice to be able to see it completely. Maybe
there could be some scrolling commands that could be binded to some
keys. It would also be nice if tvtime would use a bit more of the
screen for the description.

Scrolling keys I think would be too much of a pain in the ass to
implement. I could maybe fit another line of a description though, but
I'm worried because we're using a fair bit of room already.

Hmm, if this is not feasible for tvtime is there any good app for browsing
tv listings that you know of? Or do I have to continue /:ing the xml file
with vim? :)

Another thing that's bugging me is that programs don't start and end
exactly when supposed, so tvtime often shows information for the wrong
program. I often want to see the information at the time when the program
is changing. A way to peek information for the previous and next program
would also be nice. This would be nice even if programs are on time.

How big are
the descriptions from your provider??

The ten longest descriptions currently:

% grep '^ <desc' tv.xml | sed 's,^[^>]*>,,;s,<[^<]*$,,' | while read l; do echo "$l" | wc -c; done | sort -nr | head
862
820
784
769
755
692
682
672
655
648



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From: [email protected]

Markus J�rvinen ([email protected]):

Scrolling keys I think would be too much of a pain in the ass to
implement. I could maybe fit another line of a description though,
but I'm worried because we're using a fair bit of room already.

Hmm, if this is not feasible for tvtime is there any good app for
browsing tv listings that you know of? Or do I have to continue /:ing
the xml file with vim? :)

I don't know, but I haven't looked. I always expected this would be
the best solution: some nice GTK+ XMLTV browser would be awesome, and
not very hard to write. Someone must have done this already - and if
they did, fixing it to be able to change channels in tvtime right from
the browser would be trivial. I expected the XMLTV information in
tvtime would be for quick refrence for fulscreen viewing.

Another thing that's bugging me is that programs don't start and end
exactly when supposed, so tvtime often shows information for the wrong program. I often want to see the information at the time when the
program is changing.

Can you look in the XMLTV file and see why it is giving wrong
information? It may simply be a bug in your provider: this definitely
wasn't happening here.

A way to peek information for the previous and next program would also
be nice. This would be nice even if programs are on time.

Previous program seems silly. We already show the title of the next
show, since this seems very useful. I think someone posted a patch to
do more but I have not gone through it. Interested in helping? :)

How big are the descriptions from your provider??

The ten longest descriptions currently:

% grep '^ <desc' tv.xml | sed 's,^[^>]*>,,;s,<[^<]*$,,' | while read l; do echo "$l" | wc -c; done | sort -nr | head
862

So if I'm showing like 60-70 characters per line, that's like _12_
lines? Is that right? That's pretty massive, we would have to have
some sort of "next page" key. Awkward...

Even though I don't think this will happen any time soon, can we
decide what the UI would be for that? Use case would be, hit DISPLAY
until you get the view with the description in the list, then you need
some key to be a "NEXT" key. Since we're not in menu mode, this is
awkward, since we don't have any arrow keys. Would we need a new key
binding? Is there some logical key we could use?

I guess we could also have the full description just be in the menu somewhere, and then the menu system keys could take over (and you could
use the mouse). This would make scrolling easier, but it seems
inconvenient and unintuitive to go into the menu to view the
description.

-Billy

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