Hello,
it was pointed out to me that perhaps not everyone reads debian-devel.
so I am forwarding this email to this list.
Please Cc me in the replies because I am not in this list.
I would like to resolve this quickly. I will be away for the weekend.
Thanks
---------- Forwarded message ---------
Da: Salvo Tomaselli <
[email protected]>
Date: gio 17 lug 2025 alle ore 22:49
Subject: fortunes-*-off: my proposed way forward
To: Debian Developers <
[email protected]>, Andrew M.A.
Cater <
[email protected]>,
[email protected] <
[email protected]>,
Paul Gevers <
[email protected]>
ACTUAL SOLUTION
===============
1. We close #1109165 #1109167 (and #1109166)
2. We create RC bugs targeting forky, to review and clean up the packages
3. DPL and/or Release teams are warmly invited to publicly reply to
this email and say whether they accept this solution or not. I signed
a thing that said "we do not hide problems" so I warmly invite
everyone to stop emailing me in private. If you can't say it in public
then don't say it.
4. Debian can either trust the maintainer's judgment on what crosses
the line, or produce a detailed document. If we want to produce a
detailed document, it needs to be publicly discussed and voted on,
before forky.
WHY
===
The issues are very very very obviously not RC issues if they have
been there for 22 years without anyone noticing.
I agree that the things crossing the line must be removed, but there
are many and there is no urgency. One must go out of their way to see
things from the -off package. And popcon is really low.
This has been handled very poorly. DPL delegates have happily abused
their position and have refused any discussion.
As I understand the role of the community team is to mediate, so
ignoring emails is the exact opposite of what the mandate of the team
is.
It has been suggested to me that this is all a diversion from the
drama that happened at the debconf and that was hinted on -private. I
have no clue about any of that. I am clearly not a member of any inner
circle, and this is just a speculation.
FUTURE CHANGES ARE NEEDED
=========================
Really, we need proper rules and procedures for the community team and
more transparency.
Replying to emails in a civil way rather than directly privately
contacting other teams to enforce their decisions would be a good
start :)
Best
--
Salvo Tomaselli
I difensori della morale tradizionale sono raramente persone di cuore. Si è tentati di pensare che essi si servano della morale come di legittimo sfogo
al loro desiderio di fare del male agli altri.
-- Bertrand Russell, Perché non sono cristiano. 1957
https://ltworf.codeberg.page/
--
Salvo Tomaselli
I difensori della morale tradizionale sono raramente persone di cuore. Si è tentati di pensare che essi si servano della morale come di legittimo sfogo
al loro desiderio di fare del male agli altri.
-- Bertrand Russell, Perché non sono cristiano. 1957
https://ltworf.codeberg.page/
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