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  • Debian 9 =?UTF-8?B?55u45YWz5paH5qGj57+76K+R77yI5qyg57y677yJ?=

    From Boyuan Yang@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 05:30:01 2017
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  • From ChangZhuo Chen =?utf-8?B?KOmZs+aYjO@21:1/5 to Boyuan Yang on Tue Jun 6 07:00:01 2017
    On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 10:26:53AM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
    大家好，

    Debian 9 发布在即，但其配套的相关文档翻译存在欠缺。具体来说，有以下几项：

    * Debian Release Notes（发行注记）
    * https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
    * https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#relnotes
    * https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2017/06/msg00203.html
    * 简中与繁中翻译自 2010 年以来便无人更新

    After checking the content of Debian Release Notes, I don't think we
    need to translate it because it is a document for developer, or advanced
    user because using modern GPG, debug symbols, naming network interface, iproute2 ... are not the topics for ordinary user.

    For developer, or advanced user who needs information in Debian Release
    Notes shall have the ability to read it in English.

    For ordinary user, they will not understand what is modern GPG, or why
    it matters even with properly translation.


    --
    ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) czchen@{czchen,debian}.org
    http://czchen.info/
    Key fingerprint = BA04 346D C2E1 FE63 C790 8793 CC65 B0CD EC27 5D5B

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  • From Anthony@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 07:20:01 2017
    是啊！的確有點尷尬。 然而，系統本身的翻譯量還是不錯的啊！

    祗是文件的翻譯量落後。
    以Debian 9 -- Release Notes為例，64-bit PC (amd64)被列名的語系文檔，有Danish Dutch
    English French German Italian Japanese Polish Portuguese Portuguese
    (Brazilian) Romanian Russian Slovak Spanish Swedish，含英文有12個。 https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes

    藉鏡另個GPL-3授權的圖書館管理系統Koha 17.05，最新版的po翻譯量，超過90%的語文有19個：Arabic 、Chinese
    (Taiwan)、Turkish 、Armenian、Spanish 、Polish、German (Switzerland)、German、Portuguese、Italian 、Finnish、French、Hindi、Swedish、Czech、French (Canada)、English (New Zealand)、Slovak
    http://translate.koha-community.org/projects/17.05/ 但是文件的翻譯量就差些，不但落後一年二個版本，16.05，而且祗有9個語系列名，Chinese
    (Taiwan)、Italian、Turkish、Spanish、French、Czech、French (Canada)、Arabic、Portuguese (Brazil) http://translate.koha-community.org/projects/man1605/

    探究原因，Koha的翻譯幾乎都是由提供Koha服務的商業公司贊助，由該等公司領薪水的人，在老闆支持下，以上班的工時翻譯。

    以上看法，請Debian的愛好者，尤其藉此營利謀生者，參酌。

    根據wikipedia的舊資料，https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
    中文為母語的人口是全球第一，
    1 Mandarin (entire branch) 935 (955) 14.1%
    2 Spanish 390 (405) 5.85%
    3 English 365 (360) 5.52%
    4 Hindi[a] 295 (310) 4.46%
    5 Arabic 280 (295) 4.23%
    6 Portuguese 205 (215) 3.08%
    7 Bengali (Bangla) 200 (205) 3.05%
    8 Russian 160 (155) 2.42%
    9 Japanese 125 (125) 1.92%


    ---
    Have a nice day.
    Sincerely,
    Anthony Mao 毛慶禎

    Boyuan Yang 於 2017-06-06 10:26 寫到:
    大家好，

    Debian 9 发布在即，但其配套的相关文档翻译存在欠缺。具体来说，有以下几项：

    * Debian Release Notes（发行注记）
    * https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
    * https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#relnotes
    * https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2017/06/msg00203.html
    * 简中与繁中翻译自 2010 年以来便无人更新

    * Debian Installer（Debian 安装器）
    * https://d-i.debian.org/l10n-stats/
    * https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/manual/po/
    * 简中与繁中均缺少一少部分字符串翻译（约 5%）

    * Debian Installation Guide（Debian 安装手册）
    * https://d-i.debian.org/manual/
    * https://d-i.debian.org/manual/zh_CN.amd64/
    * https://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/
    * https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/manual/

  • From Yao Wei@21:1/5 to Boyuan Yang on Tue Jun 6 08:30:01 2017
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    Hi Christian,

    The file attached is the diff to the debian installer translation for
    zh-TW.

    Thank you,
    Yao Wei

    On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 10:26:53AM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
    大家好，

    Debian 9 发布在即，但其配套的相关文档翻译存在欠缺。具体来说，有以下几项：

    * Debian Release Notes（发行注记）
    * https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
    * https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#relnotes
    * https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2017/06/msg00203.html
    * 简中与繁中翻译自 2010 年以来便无人更新

    * Debian Installer（Debian 安装器）
    * https://d-i.debian.org/l10n-stats/
    * https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/manual/po/
    * 简中与繁中均缺少一少部分字符串翻译（约 5%）

    * Debian Installation Guide（Debian 安装手册）
    * https://d-i.debian.org/manual/
    * https://d-i.debian.org/manual/zh_CN.amd64/
    * https://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/
    * https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/manual/
    * 存在部分未翻译部分（约 15%）

    希望相关维护者和中文 DD 能在发布前的时间段尽量对相关文档的翻译进行补充与检查。

    由于以上的代码仓库全部需要权限，如果有人愿意贡献翻译，可以考虑将工作成果发布
    在邮件列表中和/或请求 DD 协助提交。

    --
    Boyuan Yang



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    Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="zh_TW.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Index: packages/po/sublevel1/zh_TW.po ===================================================================
    --- packages/po/sublevel1/zh_TW.po (revision 70743)
    +++ packages/po/sublevel1/zh_TW.po (working copy)
    @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
    "Project-Id-Version: debian-installer\n"
    "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n"
    "POT-Creation-Date: 2016-11-22 22:34+0000\n"
    -"PO-Revision-Date: 2013-09-30 14:59+0800\n"
    +"PO-Revision-Date: 2017-06-06 11:55+0800\n"
    "Last-Translator: Yao Wei (魏銘廷) <[email protected]>\n"
    "Language-Team: Debian-user in Chinese [Big5] <debian-chinese-big5@lists."
    "debian.org>\n"
    @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@
    "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
    "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n"
    "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
    -"X-Generator: Poedit 1.5.4\n"
    +"X-Generator: Poedit 1.8.11\n"

    #: ../../mktemplates.continents:15
    msgid "Africa"
    @@ -150,10 +150,8 @@
    #. Type: select
    #. Choices
    #: ../keyboard-configuration.templates:16001
    -#, fuzzy
    -#| msgid "Bulgarian (phonetic layout)"
    msgid "Bulgarian (BDS layout)"
    -msgstr "保加利亞語 (拼音排列)"
    +msgstr "保加利亞語 (BDS 排列)"

    # console-keymap
  • From Christian Perrier@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 8 09:10:01 2017
    Le 06/06/2017 à 07:25, Yao Wei a écrit :
    Hi Christian,

    The file attached is the diff to the debian installer translation for
    zh-TW.

    Thank you,
    Yao Wei

    Hello,

    You did apply the patch in the repository, didn't you (this is not a
    problem at all, by the way, I was planning to do that this week-end, but
    if you managed to apply the patch, that's fine) ?

    And hello to everybody in Taiwan, while I'm at it (funnily, my son is
    currently on a business trip in your country for two weeks...)

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  • From Yao Wei@21:1/5 to Yao Wei on Tue Jun 6 14:10:02 2017
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    Hi,

    I need anyone who is DD to commit the translation diffs to d-i. And
    this fixes some of the translations in the previous patch.

    Thanks,
    Yao Wei

    On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 01:25:33PM +0800, Yao Wei wrote:
    The file attached is the diff to the debian installer translation for
    zh-TW.

    --s2d3rnw2uaiumbhh
    Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset=utf-8
    Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="zh_TW-v2.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Index: packages/po/sublevel1/zh_TW.po ===================================================================
    --- packages/po/sublevel1/zh_TW.po (revision 70743)
    +++ packages/po/sublevel1/zh_TW.po (working copy)
    @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
    "Project-Id-Version: debian-installer\n"
    "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n"
    "POT-Creation-Date: 2016-11-22 22:34+0000\n"
    -"PO-Revision-Date: 2013-09-30 14:59+0800\n"
    +"PO-Revision-Date: 2017-06-06 11:55+0800\n"
    "Last-Translator: Yao Wei (魏銘廷) <[email protected]>\n"
    "Language-Team: Debian-user in Chinese [Big5] <debian-chinese-big5@lists."
    "debian.org>\n"
    @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@
    "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
    "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n"
    "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
    -"X-Generator: Poedit 1.5.4\n"
    +"X-Generator: Poedit 1.8.11\n"

    #: ../../mktemplates.continents:15
    msgid "Africa"
    @@ -150,10 +150,8 @@
    #. Type: select
    #. Choices
    #: ../keyboard-configuration.templates:16001
    -#, fuzzy
    -#| msgid "Bulgarian (phonetic layout)"
    msgid "Bulgarian (BDS layout)"
    -msgstr "保加利亞語 (拼音排列)"
    +msgstr "保加利亞語 (BDS 排列)"

    # console-keymap
  • From Yao Wei@21:1/5 to Yao Wei on Wed Jun 7 06:30:02 2017
    Hi,

    I requested d-i translator member and committed the changes to d-i repo.

    Thanks and sorry for my overreacting messages,
    Yao Wei

    On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 07:02:59PM +0800, Yao Wei wrote:
    Hi,

    I need anyone who is DD to commit the translation diffs to d-i. And
    this fixes some of the translations in the previous patch.

    Thanks,
    Yao Wei

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  • From Medical Wei@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jun 8 10:10:02 2017
    Hi Christian,

    Welcome to Taiwan! Would you mind meeting us IRL?

    I applied d-i translator in Alioth and I can push commits (as well as
    Shih-Yuan Lee, a new DD in Taiwan. If I am not available for d-i
    translation we have another people to work on).

    Yao Wei
    On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 13:56 Christian Perrier <[email protected]> wrote:

    Le 06/06/2017 à 07:25, Yao Wei a écrit :
    Hi Christian,

    The file attached is the diff to the debian installer translation for zh-TW.

    Thank you,
    Yao Wei

    Hello,

    You did apply the patch in the repository, didn't you (this is not a
    problem at all, by the way, I was planning to do that this week-end, but
    if you managed to apply the patch, that's fine) ?

    And hello to everybody in Taiwan, while I'm at it (funnily, my son is currently on a business trip in your country for two weeks...)



    Hi Christian,<br><br>Welcome to Taiwan! Would you mind meeting us IRL?<br><br>I applied d-i translator in Alioth and I can push commits (as well as Shih-Yuan Lee, a new DD in Taiwan. If I am not available for d-i translation we have another people to
    work on).<br><br>Yao Wei<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 13:56 Christian Perrier &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;
    border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 06/06/2017 à 07:25, Yao Wei a écrit :<br>
    &gt; Hi Christian,<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; The file attached is the diff to the debian installer translation for<br> &gt; zh-TW.<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; Thank you,<br>
    &gt; Yao Wei<br>

    Hello,<br>

    You did apply the patch in the repository, didn&#39;t you (this is not a<br> problem at all, by the way, I was planning to do that this week-end, but<br>
    if you managed to apply the patch, that&#39;s fine) ?<br>

    And hello to everybody in Taiwan, while I&#39;m at it (funnily, my son is<br> currently on a business trip in your country for two weeks...)<br>

    </blockquote></div>

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  • From Christian Perrier@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 8 10:20:02 2017
    Le 08/06/2017 à 09:01, Medical Wei a écrit :
    Hi Christian,

    Welcome to Taiwan! Would you mind meeting us IRL?


    Well, as I wrote, this is not me visiting Taiwan, but my son
    Jean-Baptiste who works in Canada in embarked electronics (yeah, I'm old
    enough to have a son working overseas for quite some time now...;-) ).

    He's currently visiting some of their hardware prodivers in Hsinchu. I
    actualy doubt he would have time for RL meeting though he is a Debian
    user (and will very probably attend the next Debconf in Montreal).

    Still, just in case, I can give him pointers in case he would like (and
    would have time) to meet some local FLOSS-involved folks, for sure.


    I applied d-i translator in Alioth and I can push commits (as well as Shih-Yuan Lee, a new DD in Taiwan. If I am not available for d-i
    translation we have another people to work on).

    That's great, you did very well. Thank you for your work.

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