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Hi!

Le 08/03/2020 � 09:33, Beatrice Torracca a �crit�:

So far there was no official notification of the system transition done.

It would really be helpful if whoever is taking care of the transition
would inform the translators on how to behave.

It is not much about losing work (which would not be fair... but life
is not fair), but surely not to insert in the database a lot of coding mistakes that can have a big repercussion (if you consider automatic translations of all shared paragraphs).

For the moment, the changes made to ddtp.d.o are not retrieved by ftp
masters to update the package descriptions, so there is no reason to
worry about bad encodings spreading to descriptions.

In my opionion, officially there is a last dump of the old system and
no notification of an official system change. So that dump should be
the starting point of the new system if there is a choice to be made
on what to discard (better yet if everything can be kept! :) ).

What we fed to ddtp.d.o is the exact database dump I retrieved from
ddtp2.d.n. The issue seems to come from how Perl handles encodings. More specifically, the version of Debian running on ddtp2.d.n is quite old
while the one on ddtp.d.o is up to date, and that means that the
versions of Perl and some libraries are different. I'm not a Perl expert
at all, but apparently a lot has changed regarding encoding, which leads
to all the discrepancies you noticed.

We've been running this instance for some months and tried to fix all
the encoding issues we've seen, but clearly we missed some and we're
still working to correct them.

I did not expect it would take so long, apologies for that.

Anyway, that is my opionion and it counts 0. I can live with whatever
other choice is made. But I think it would be fair for translators to
at least know if they have to work on the new system (and try to take measures to save what's lost) or wait.

As a ddtp user, I really understand your frustration. Somehow, it's even
worse to see a (seemingly) working instance of it and not be sure it's
safe to use it than a plain "nothing works" outage. :(

I'm confident we can fix it soon and even correct all the encoding
issues that have been inserted recently, but for the moment, let's say
it's better to wait a little more.


Thomas


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On luned� 09 marzo 2020, at 01:13 +0100, Thomas Vincent wrote:

Hi!

We've been running this instance for some months and tried to fix all
the encoding issues we've seen, but clearly we missed some and we're
still working to correct them.

I did not expect it would take so long, apologies for that.

There is definitely no need to apologize!!

We lived so much with a very unstable system, that waiting a bit
longer is no big deal.

As you said it was confusing to see a seeming new working system and
not being able to use it (I know... I rushed to use it the first day
it was online :)

I'm confident we can fix it soon and even correct all the encoding
issues that have been inserted recently, but for the moment, let's say
it's better to wait a little more.

Perfect, at least now all teams are aware of that.

Do you think it would be possible to write a project message in the page, with a warning? Something like

"This istance of the DDTSS is currently under testing. All translation work donein the testing period might be lost when the final system is officially in place."

Or something like that in a better English :). I can write Project messages, I think, so I can try to do it myself if it helps.

Thanks a lot again,

beatrice


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On 20-03-09 22:33, Thomas Vincent wrote:

Hi Beatrice,

Le 09/03/2020 à 20:39, Beatrice Torracca a écrit :

Do you think it would be possible to write a project message in the page, with a warning? Something like

"This istance of the DDTSS is currently under testing. All translation work donein the testing period might be lost when the final system is officially in place."

Or something like that in a better English :). I can write Project messages, I think, so I can try to do it myself if it helps.

Yes please. As a user, I don't have the right to project messages and do
not know how to give someone such privileges. :)

Thanks a lot.

Thomas

If I understand correctly, Beatrice meant if we could integrate into
the default page header on every language page message that current DDTSS instance is in testing.


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Hi Beatrice,

Le 09/03/2020 � 20:39, Beatrice Torracca a �crit�:

Do you think it would be possible to write a project message in the page, with a warning? Something like

"This istance of the DDTSS is currently under testing. All translation work donein the testing period might be lost when the final system is officially in place."

Or something like that in a better English :). I can write Project messages, I think, so I can try to do it myself if it helps.

Yes please. As a user, I don't have the right to project messages and do
not know how to give someone such privileges. :)

Thanks a lot.

Thomas


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On marted� 10 marzo 2020, at 00:47 +0300, Andrey Skvortsov wrote:

Hi.

"This istance of the DDTSS is currently under testing. All translation work donein the testing period might be lost when the final system is officially in place."

Or something like that in a better English :). I can write Project messages, I think, so I can try to do it myself if it helps.

Yes please. As a user, I don't have the right to project messages and do not know how to give someone such privileges. :)

I found out by mistake I have such privileges (I wanted to write a
team message) I imagine it has something to do with the "isadmin" field
in the user record database.

If I understand correctly, Beatrice meant if we could integrate into
the default page header on every language page message that current DDTSS instance is in testing.

Yes. And I think I did it. I added a project message that should be visible on top of every language page.

Ciao,

beatrice


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The message is on the Danish page :o)

Den mandag den 9. marts 2020 23.20.10 CET skrev Beatrice Torracca <[email protected]>:

On martedì 10 marzo 2020, at 00:47 +0300, Andrey Skvortsov wrote:

Hi.

"This istance of the DDTSS is currently under testing. All translation work donein the testing period might be lost when the final system is officially in place."

Or something like that in a better English :). I can write Project messages, I think, so I can try to do it myself if it helps.

Yes please. As a user, I don't have the right to project messages and do not know how to give someone such privileges. :)

I found out by mistake I have such privileges (I wanted to write a
team message) I imagine it has something to do with the "isadmin" field
in the user record database.

If I understand correctly, Beatrice meant if we could integrate into
the default page header on every language page message that current DDTSS instance is in testing.

Yes. And I think I did it. I added a project message that should be visible on top of every language page.

Ciao,

beatrice

<div> The message is on the Danish page :o)<br><br> </div> <div class="yahoo_quoted" style="margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex;"> <div style="font-family:'
Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> <div> Den mandag den 9. marts 2020 23.20.10 CET skrev Beatrice Torracca &lt;[email protected]&gt;: </div>
<div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div>On martedì 10 marzo 2020, at 00:47 +0300, Andrey Skvortsov wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hi.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">&gt; &gt; &gt; "This istance of the
DDTSS is currently under testing. All translation work donein the testing period might be lost when the final system is officially in place."<br clear="none">&gt; &gt; &gt; <br clear="none">&gt; &gt; &gt; Or something like that in a better English :). I
can write Project messages, I think, so I can try to do it myself if it helps.<br clear="none">&gt; &gt; <br clear="none">&gt; &gt; Yes please. As a user, I don't have the right to project messages and do<br clear="none">&gt; &gt; not know how to give
someone such privileges. :)<br clear="none">&gt; &gt; <br clear="none"><br clear="none">I found out by mistake I have such privileges (I wanted to write a<br clear="none">team message) I imagine it has something to do with the "isadmin" field<br clear="
none">in the user record database.<div class="yqt2149731777" id="yqtfd29780"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">&gt; If I understand correctly, Beatrice meant if we could integrate into<br clear="none">&gt; the default page header on every language page
message that current DDTSS<br clear="none">&gt; instance is in testing.</div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yes. And I think I did it. I added a project message that should be visible on top of every language page.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
Ciao,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">beatrice<div class="yqt2149731777" id="yqtfd89837"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div>

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