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  • Draft: Debian 8 Long Term Support reaching end-of-life

    From Markus Koschany@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 2 17:50:01 2020
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    Hello publicity and translation teams,

    I have drafted a new announcement, "Debian 8 Long Term Support reaching end-of-life". I would like you to review the draft and the i18n teams to translate the content when it is approved by you. You can find the text
    here:

    https://salsa.debian.org/publicity-team/announcements/-/blob/master/en/2020/20200709.wml

    The new announcement is very similar to the previous one from 2018. I
    believe this will also significantly ease translations.

    Key facts:

    Jessie reached end-of-life on June 30, 2020.
    Debian 9 will be supported until June 30, 2022.
    Security support for Stretch LTS will be handed over on July 18, 2020,
    after the last point release.
    The supported architectures include amd64, i386, armel, armhf and arm64 now.

    Regards,

    Markus


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  • From Markus Koschany@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 2 20:30:01 2020
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    Am 02.07.20 um 20:06 schrieb Moritz Muehlenhoff:
    Security support for Stretch LTS will be handed over on July 18, 2020,
    after the last point release.

    What's that supposed to mean? Support for oldstable ends on the 6th

    And why was this not send to [email protected]?

    Cheers,
    Moritz

    Sorry, but I was assuming that the official end of oldstable is on July
    18 when Debian 9.13 is released.

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2020/06/msg00049.html

    It was sent to debian-release too. No ill intent from our side.

    Regards,

    Markus


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Moritz_M=C3=BChlenhoff?=@21:1/5 to Markus Koschany on Thu Jul 2 20:40:01 2020
    On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 08:24:42PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
    Sorry, but I was assuming that the official end of oldstable is on July
    18 when Debian 9.13 is released.

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2020/06/msg00049.html

    That syncs up potentially missing builds and creates the "final" installation images for Stretch, but updates end on the 6th.

    It was sent to debian-release too. No ill intent from our side.

    No ill intent assumed. But please explicitly CC us on the next LTS
    announcement draft, so that we don't only notice this by chance :-)

    Cheers,
    Moritz

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  • From Markus Koschany@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 2 21:10:02 2020
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    Am 02.07.20 um 20:39 schrieb Moritz Mühlenhoff:
    On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 08:24:42PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
    Sorry, but I was assuming that the official end of oldstable is on July
    18 when Debian 9.13 is released.

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2020/06/msg00049.html

    That syncs up potentially missing builds and creates the "final" installation images for Stretch, but updates end on the 6th.

    I have changed the date to 6th from 18th. Though in my opinion July 18
    marks the official end of oldstable and the begin of Stretch LTS because
    users will receive updates from a different channel than
    stretch-security. This is something that normally won't happen while LTS
    is running. Thus I have clarified the paragraph and now I mention both
    dates.

    It was sent to debian-release too. No ill intent from our side.

    No ill intent assumed. But please explicitly CC us on the next LTS announcement draft, so that we don't only notice this by chance :-)

    Sure, we have done it three times before. This time the draft looked
    really innocent to me. Will do better next time. :)

    Regards,

    Markus



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  • From Moritz Muehlenhoff@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 2 20:20:01 2020
    Security support for Stretch LTS will be handed over on July 18, 2020,
    after the last point release.

    What's that supposed to mean? Support for oldstable ends on the 6th

    And why was this not send to [email protected]?

    Cheers,
    Moritz

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  • From Chris Lamb@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 3 10:00:01 2020
    [adding [email protected] to CC due to parallel thread]

    Hi Markus,

    The supported architectures include amd64, i386, armel, armhf
    and arm64 now.

    On this point (at line 36) file, as this is an announcement of a
    transition may I suggest making a distinction between of these
    architectures are new to this support cycle? (i.e. "diff")


    Regards,

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  • From Markus Koschany@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 3 14:50:01 2020
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    Hi Chris,

    Am 03.07.20 um 09:45 schrieb Chris Lamb:
    [adding [email protected] to CC due to parallel thread]

    Hi Markus,

    The supported architectures include amd64, i386, armel, armhf
    and arm64 now.

    On this point (at line 36) file, as this is an announcement of a
    transition may I suggest making a distinction between of these
    architectures are new to this support cycle? (i.e. "diff")

    What do you think about changing the paragraph (line 34 to 36) to:

    Debian 9 will also receive Long Term Support for five years after its
    initial release with support ending on June 30, 2022. The supported architectures remain amd64, i386, armel and armhf. In addition we are
    pleased to announce, for the first time support will be extended to
    include the arm64 architecture.

    Regards,

    Markus


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  • From Chris Lamb@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 3 17:50:02 2020
    Hi Markus,

    What do you think about changing the paragraph (line 34 to 36) to:

    Debian 9 will also receive Long Term Support for five years after its
    initial release with support ending on June 30, 2022. The supported architectures remain amd64, i386, armel and armhf. In addition we are
    pleased to announce, for the first time support will be extended to
    include the arm64 architecture.

    Perfect. :)


    Regards,

    --
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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Sylvain Beucler on Sat Jul 4 01:20:02 2020
    On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 09:00:10PM +0200, Sylvain Beucler wrote:
    As a LTS contributor I'm not sure (and hence, I suspect this this would
    be worth clarifying in the announcement) whether Stretch security
    updates will be made between July the 6th and the 18th ?

    I believe it's best to leave as suggested by Markus as it describes the situation as it is: security supports ends on the 6th and lts starts on
    the 18th.

    and then i'm sure *should* there be critical issues showing up between the
    6th and the 18th, someone *will* handle them. we just don't plan for them.

    (and until the 12th things can also go in regularily via the point release.)


    --
    cheers,
    Holger

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  • From Ansgar@21:1/5 to Markus Koschany on Mon Jul 6 15:10:01 2020
    On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 21:02 +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
    I have changed the date to 6th from 18th.

    The time is now wrong, [1] reads:

    | The LTS Team will prepare the transition to Debian 9 [...]
    | The LTS team will take over support from the Security Team on
    | July 6, 2020 [...]

    But July 6th will have been in the past on 2020-07-09 (release date for
    the announcement). So it should be "The LTS Team took over
    support...".

    Also "LTS team" and "LTS Team" use different capitalization.

    Ansgar

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