• Re: Debian on ia64 / HP Itanium servers

    From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to Jesse Dougherty on Fri Sep 16 22:40:01 2022
    On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:26:02PM -0400, Jesse Dougherty wrote:
    Hi, I'm Jesse.. I work for a company that sells HP hardware. We sell HP Itanium servers. I have a user that wants to buy a few servers and have Debian loaded on them.
    It's... let's say unexpected.

    Can you tell me what versions of Debian are supported on ia64 / HP
    Itanium server platforms?
    No versions of Debian supporting ia64 have security support so the answer
    is in practice "none".
    The last Debian version supporting it was wheezy, as you can see on https://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. I wouldn't recommend using it.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From =?utf-8?Q?=C3=89tienne?= Mollier@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 16 22:50:01 2022
    Hi Jesse,

    Jesse Dougherty, on 2022-09-16:
    Hi, I'm Jesse.. I work for a company that sells HP hardware. We sell HP Itanium servers. I have a user that wants to buy a few servers and have Debian loaded on them. Can you tell me what versions of Debian are supported on ia64 / HP Itanium server platforms?

    Short answer: none.

    To the best of my knowledge, there is still a port alive of
    Debian for ia64 architecture[1,2], but support is not official
    in the sense of a "Release architecture"[3,4] for contemporary
    Debian version 11 bullseye. Given that we lost support for ia64
    on kernel side[6], I don't expect future Debian versions will
    support officially this CPU architecture again.

    I believe the last Debian version to have had support for ia64
    as release architecture was Debian 7 wheezy[6]. This version is
    unmaintained for years, so wouldn't recommend it for any serious
    use as it misses many security fixes. Other option would be to
    try to put a Debian unstable station together with resources
    made available via ports[1,2]. None of these options sound
    exactly suitable for sales, except to hobbyists knowing what
    they are doing perhaps.

    [1]: https://www.ports.debian.org/
    [2]: https://wiki.debian.org/Ports/ia64
    [3]: https://release.debian.org/testing/arch_qualify.html
    [4]: https://release.debian.org/testing/arch_policy.html
    [5]: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=228345bf98cd78f91d007478a51f9a471489e44a
    [6]: https://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html

    In hope this helps nonetheless,
    --
    Étienne Mollier <[email protected]>
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    Sent from /dev/pts/2, please excuse my verbosity.
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  • From Paul Wise@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 17 05:10:01 2022
    On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 22:41 +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:

    To the best of my knowledge, there is still a port alive of
    Debian for ia64 architecture[1,2], but support is not official
    in the sense of a "Release architecture"[3,4] for contemporary
    Debian version 11 bullseye.

    Due to the Itanium hardware ecosystem no longer producing newer CPUs,
    ia64 likely could never become an official port again, but some of the unofficial Debian ports may at some point get unofficial releases
    as part of the proposed tier system for Debian architectures. That
    requires infrastructure changes and probably won't happen soon though.

    https://debconf22.debconf.org/talks/47-investigating-a-tier-system-for-release-architectures/
    https://gobby.debian.org/export/debconf22/bof/tier-architecture-system

    I expect that the folks working on the unofficial Debian ia64 port
    would welcome donations of extra hardware for build/porting servers,
    please contact the debian-ia64 mailing list if you can do that.

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-ia64/

    In case you would like to contribute to the unofficial Debian ia64
    port, probably a lot of the steps in the new port document need to
    be re-done or polished for ia64.

    https://wiki.debian.org/PortsDocs/New

    --
    bye,
    pabs

    https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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