• Re: long-standing bugs and tar pits

    From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to G. Branden Robinson on Fri Sep 16 19:10:01 2022
    "G. Branden Robinson" <[email protected]> writes:

    That said, such people define "constructively" in an odd way, as can be
    seen above; they assert that the only way they experience respect is to
    be _obeyed_. They claim that they are treated as second-class citizens because they are not deferred to like monarchs--or dictators. I advise people to be watchful for this pattern because you can be sucked into an energy-sapping dynamic that reduces your channel capacity as a volunteer
    and dilutes your enjoyment of (what should be) a collaborative
    environment.

    Yes, this.

    After my message clearly hit a nerve, I went back and reviewed the
    debian-user threads that started this out of curiosity, and I see that it
    had already reached the point of Chuck expressing his suspicions that
    we're maliciously sabotaging Debian for our employers by not fixing bugs
    (!!) [1]. I'm not seeing a glorious collaborative future here.

    It's okay, and even desirable, to give a chilly reception to people who approach free software projects with this level of persistent entitlement. These folks are usually negative effort: the amount of annoyance and
    disruption that they cause exceeds the value their technical contributions could add. The ones who are willing to learn and change their behavior
    will figure out why no one is willing to help them and try a different approach.

    Free software projects are uniquely vulnerable to people who attempt to manipulate you by making you feel like a failure for not having addressed
    their specific problem. Avoiding that emotional trap is an important part
    of healthy boundary setting and sustainability.

    Debian is something we build together, voluntarily and consensually. When someone needs a break, other people carry the load, or sometimes we put
    the whole thing down and rest for a bit. We don't berate each other for
    not working harder.

    [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/09/msg00267.html
    https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/09/msg00297.html

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Chuck Zmudzinski on Sun Sep 18 09:20:01 2022
    On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 01:28:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
    On 9/16/22 1:03 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:

    [...]

    It's okay, and even desirable, to give a chilly reception to people who approach free software projects with this level of persistent entitlement.

    So Chuck Zmudzinski is on trial for hating Debian [...]

    Fine example of trolling rhetorics, if there's one.

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  • From Jonathan Dowland@21:1/5 to Chuck Zmudzinski on Wed Sep 21 08:10:01 2022
    On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 01:28:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
    So Chuck Zmudzinski is on trial for hating Debian. What is
    the penalty?

    I, for one, will personally de-prioritise anything I see your name
    attached to; at least for a while.


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