• Chromium on Debian 11

    From phil995511 -@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 12:10:01 2022
    Hello,

    Chromium is on version 99 on Debian 11 Stable :

    bullseye (stable) (web): navigateur web
    99.0.4844.74-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=chromium

    2 highlest security updates have been released since.

    The Testing and Unstable branches each get one of these 2 updates (100.0.4896.88-1 & 100.0.4896.127-1), but not Stable (99.0.4844.74-1) !?!

    Debian 11 Stable users are exposed to these major security flaws.

    They risk having important confidential information stolen, whether their computer systems are hacked remotely ;-(

    Your solution of pushing browser updates first through Unstable, then
    through Testing and finally pushing them to the Stable branch more than a
    1/2 month later has the consequence that you leave your Debian Stable users become potential victims of hackers.

    This way of doing things is wrong and needs to be changed urgently for the
    good of Debian Stable users !!!

    You must immediately publish all new updates to the Stable branch,
    immediately after they have been released !!!

    The current situation just makes you want to abandon Debian for a
    distribution with better monitoring of updates...

    Regards.

    <div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,<br><br>Chromium is on version 99 on Debian 11 Stable :<br><br>bullseye (stable) (web): navigateur web<br>99.0.4844.74-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386<br><a href="https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&amp;section=
    all&amp;arch=any&amp;lang=fr&amp;searchon=names&amp;keywords=chromium">https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&amp;section=all&amp;arch=any&amp;lang=fr&amp;searchon=names&amp;keywords=chromium</a><br><br>2 highlest security updates have been
    released since.<br><br>The Testing and Unstable branches each get one of these 2 updates (100.0.4896.88-1 &amp; 100.0.4896.127-1), but not Stable (99.0.4844.74-1) !?!<br><br>Debian 11 Stable users are exposed to these major security flaws.<br><br>They
    risk having important confidential information stolen, whether their computer systems are hacked remotely ;-(<br><br>Your solution of pushing browser updates first through Unstable, then through Testing and finally pushing them to the Stable branch more
    than a 1/2 month later has the consequence that you leave your Debian Stable users become potential victims of hackers. <br><br>This way of doing things is wrong and needs to be changed urgently for the good of Debian Stable users !!! <br><br>You must
    immediately publish all new updates to the Stable branch, immediately after they have been released !!!<br><br>The current situation just makes you want to abandon Debian for a distribution with better monitoring of updates...<br></div><div><br></div><
    Regards.</div></div>

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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 13:00:01 2022
    On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 11:46:30AM +0200, phil995511 - wrote:
    Hello,

    Chromium is on version 99 on Debian 11 Stable :
    No. See e.g. https://tracker.debian.org/news/1318930/accepted-chromium-10004896127-1deb11u1-source-into-stable-security-embargoed-stable-security/

    bullseye (stable) (web): navigateur web
    99.0.4844.74-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=chromium
    You shouldn't use packages.debian.org as it doesn't know about
    stable-security.

    Your solution of pushing browser updates first through Unstable, then
    through Testing and finally pushing them to the Stable branch more than a
    1/2 month later
    No, that's not how it works.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Leandro Cunha@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Apr 17 13:10:01 2022
    Hi,

    On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 6:46 AM phil995511 - <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hello,

    Chromium is on version 99 on Debian 11 Stable :

    bullseye (stable) (web): navigateur web
    99.0.4844.74-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=chromium

    2 highlest security updates have been released since.

    The Testing and Unstable branches each get one of these 2 updates (100.0.4896.88-1 & 100.0.4896.127-1), but not Stable (99.0.4844.74-1) !?!

    Debian 11 Stable users are exposed to these major security flaws.

    They risk having important confidential information stolen, whether their computer systems are hacked remotely ;-(

    Your solution of pushing browser updates first through Unstable, then through Testing and finally pushing them to the Stable branch more than a 1/2 month later has the consequence that you leave your Debian Stable users become potential victims of
    hackers.

    This way of doing things is wrong and needs to be changed urgently for the good of Debian Stable users !!!

    You must immediately publish all new updates to the Stable branch, immediately after they have been released !!!

    The current situation just makes you want to abandon Debian for a distribution with better monitoring of updates...

    Regards.

    Andres Salomon, uploaded the latest released version to unstable pro bullseye/stable-security.

    [1] https://tracker.debian.org/news/1318930/accepted-chromium-10004896127-1deb11u1-source-into-stable-security-embargoed-stable-security/
    [2] https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/chromium

    --
    Cheers,
    Leandro Cunha
    Software Engineer and Debian Contributor

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    ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 13:50:01 2022
    On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 01:18:25PM +0200, phil995511 - wrote:
    Forgive me but your answer is off topic, my e-mail is not bossy but it
    surely points the finger at the biggest security gap in Debian...

    Replying public to a private message is considered very bad style.
    Please don't do that in the future.

    Your messages appear to me as demanding and unfriendly. I would be
    offended by them even if you were my paying customer (which you are
    not). Please consider working on you style.

    In the past, you have been pointed out that debian-project is not the
    correct list for your issues, why do you keep coming here?

    Greetings
    Marc

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  • From Leandro Cunha@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 13:40:01 2022
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  • From phil995511 -@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 13:40:01 2022
    Hi,

    Forgive me but your answer is off topic, my e-mail is not bossy but it
    surely points the finger at the biggest security gap in Debian...

    It's good to do voluntary work, it's even better to do it in a safe and
    secure way for the users, otherwise your work is useless.

    I'm sure I'm not the first to point this out to you and ask you to question yourself, you yourself should know there's a problem, even if you don't
    tell me don't confess directly.

    I hope you will question this for the benefit of all Debian users !!!
    Security updates, especially web browsers, should be published without
    delay, because these security failures are already being exploited by
    hackers ;-(

    Apart from that if you have a problem with Gmail, it's only up to you...

    Regards.


    Le dim. 17 avr. 2022 à 12:33, Martin Steigerwald <[email protected]> a écrit :

    Hi!

    Replying off-list.

    phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 11:46:30 CEST:
    They risk having important confidential information stolen, whether
    their computer systems are hacked remotely ;-(

    Says someone who voluntarily gives private information to Google by
    using a Googlemail account.

    How about walking your own talk *first*?

    You must immediately publish all new updates to the Stable branch, immediately after they have been released !!!

    I think your commanding tone towards people who work on this in their
    free time is not appropriate. But I expect other people will point that
    out to you as well.

    This might be my last mail to you as long as your mail is hosted by
    Google.

    Thanks,
    --
    Martin




    <div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Forgive me but your answer is off topic, my e-mail is not bossy but it surely points the finger at the biggest security gap in Debian...<br><br>It&#39;s good to do voluntary work, it&#
    39;s even better to do it in a safe and secure way for the users, otherwise your work is useless.<br><br>I&#39;m sure I&#39;m not the first to point this out to you and ask you to question yourself, you yourself should know there&#39;s a problem, even if
    you don&#39;t tell me don&#39;t confess directly. <br><div><br></div><div><div>I hope you will question this for the benefit of all Debian users !!! Security updates, especially web browsers, should be published without delay, because these security
    failures are already being exploited by hackers ;-(<br><br>Apart from that if you have a problem with Gmail, it&#39;s only up to you... <br><br>Regards.<br></div></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le�
    �dim. 17 avr. 2022 à 12:33, Martin Steigerwald &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:
    1ex">Hi!<br>

    Replying off-list.<br>

    phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 11:46:30 CEST:<br>
    &gt; They risk having important confidential information stolen, whether<br> &gt; their computer systems are hacked remotely ;-(<br>

    Says someone who voluntarily gives private information to Google by <br>
    using a Googlemail account.<br>

    How about walking your own talk *first*?<br>

    &gt; You must immediately publish all new updates to the Stable branch,<br> &gt; immediately after they have been released !!!<br>

    I think your commanding tone towards people who work on this in their <br>
    free time is not appropriate. But I expect other people will point that <br> out to you as well.<br>

    This might be my last mail to you as long as your mail is hosted by <br> Google.<br>

    Thanks,<br>
    -- <br>
    Martin<br>


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  • From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 14:40:01 2022
    phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 13:18:25 CEST:
    Replying off-list.

    I replied off list for a reason.

    *sigh*

    --
    Martin

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  • From phil995511 -@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 14:40:01 2022
    You know Marc, if you respond badly to people for a reason that is yours,
    don't be surprised if they show their displeasure in one way or another.

    My post is trying to bring your attention to a major issue, nothing more,
    if you're too tired take a vacation, but respect my request and make sure
    to fix issues of Chromium on Debian Stable updates that aren't sufficient
    as it is.

    I've never been told the remark you echo, and anyway I don't have problems, it's Chromium in its state in the Stable branch which will potentially pose
    a very big security problem for all those who use it.

    My style is that of google translate...He is as he is...

    Your patches come out 1/2 month too late in Debian Stable, it makes your
    work in Debian Stable useless and I doubt you have many users using a
    Debian Experimental based distribution... Now if you don't want to
    questioning yourself and your volunteer working group to bring more
    security to Debian Stable and its users, you are unwittingly scuttling the entire Debian project and pushing people to switch to, for example,
    ArchLinux.

    I would have tried to make you aware of it, I will not do it again x times,
    I will simply migrate to another OS if you remain in this situation or the
    apps such as Chromium are not seriously updated enough, which I do not
    don't find it satisfactory, like a lot of other Linux users. Afterwards, if
    you need help to do the job, you have to ask for it instead and always try
    to do better rather than leave things as they are...

    Regards.

    Le dim. 17 avr. 2022 à 14:13, Martin Steigerwald <[email protected]> a écrit :

    phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 13:18:25 CEST:
    Replying off-list.

    I replied off list for a reason.

    *sigh*

    --
    Martin




    <div dir="ltr">You know Marc, if you respond badly to people for a reason that is yours, don&#39;t be surprised if they show their displeasure in one way or another.<br><br>My post is trying to bring your attention to a major issue, nothing more, if you&#
    39;re too tired take a vacation, but respect my request and make sure to fix issues of Chromium on Debian Stable updates that aren&#39;t sufficient as it is.<br><br>I&#39;ve never been told the remark you echo, and anyway I don&#39;t have problems, it&#
    39;s Chromium in its state in the Stable branch which will potentially pose a very big security problem for all those who use it.<br><br>My style is that of google translate...He is as he is...<br><br>Your patches come out 1/2 month too late in Debian
    Stable, it makes your work in Debian Stable useless and I doubt you have many users using a Debian Experimental based distribution... Now if you don&#39;t want to questioning yourself and your volunteer working group to bring more security to Debian
    Stable and its users, you are unwittingly scuttling the entire Debian project and pushing people to switch to, for example, ArchLinux.<br><br>I would have tried to make you aware of it, I will not do it again x times, I will simply migrate to another OS
    if you remain in this situation or the apps such as Chromium are not seriously updated enough, which I do not don&#39;t find it satisfactory, like a lot of other Linux users. Afterwards, if you need help to do the job, you have to ask for it instead and
    always try to do better rather than leave things as they are...<br><br>Regards.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 17 avr. 2022 à 14:13, Martin Steigerwald &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">martin@
    lichtvoll.de</a>&gt; a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 13:18:25 CEST:<br>
    &gt; &gt; Replying off-list.<br>

    I replied off list for a reason.<br>

    *sigh*<br>

    -- <br>
    Martin<br>


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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 15:00:01 2022
    On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 02:17:11PM +0200, phil995511 - wrote:

    [...]

    My style is that of google translate...He is as he is...

    Perhaps you should fire your translator, then. He (?) is extremely
    unfriendly.

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From Leandro Cunha@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Apr 17 15:10:01 2022
    Hi,

    On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM phil995511 - <[email protected]> wrote:

    You know Marc, if you respond badly to people for a reason that is yours, don't be surprised if they show their displeasure in one way or another.

    My post is trying to bring your attention to a major issue, nothing more, if you're too tired take a vacation, but respect my request and make sure to fix issues of Chromium on Debian Stable updates that aren't sufficient as it is.

    I've never been told the remark you echo, and anyway I don't have problems, it's Chromium in its state in the Stable branch which will potentially pose a very big security problem for all those who use it.

    My style is that of google translate...He is as he is...

    Your patches come out 1/2 month too late in Debian Stable, it makes your work in Debian Stable useless and I doubt you have many users using a Debian Experimental based distribution... Now if you don't want to questioning yourself and your volunteer
    working group to bring more security to Debian Stable and its users, you are unwittingly scuttling the entire Debian project and pushing people to switch to, for example, ArchLinux.

    I would have tried to make you aware of it, I will not do it again x times, I will simply migrate to another OS if you remain in this situation or the apps such as Chromium are not seriously updated enough, which I do not don't find it satisfactory,
    like a lot of other Linux users. Afterwards, if you need help to do the job, you have to ask for it instead and always try to do better rather than leave things as they are...

    Regards.

    Le dim. 17 avr. 2022 à 14:13, Martin Steigerwald <[email protected]> a écrit :

    phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 13:18:25 CEST:
    Replying off-list.

    I replied off list for a reason.

    *sigh*

    --
    Martin



    Updates for the stable branch are updated after the point release and for security updates there are security.debian.org and bullseye-security. And
    you can subscribe to the list if you want from debian-security.
    In the case of Chromium, it is up to date with security updates and there is
    no reason for its protests.

    --
    Cheers,
    Leandro Cunha
    Software Engineer and Debian Contributor

    ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
    ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
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  • From Andres Salomon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 18:00:01 2022
    Make sure you have the following in your /etc/apt/sources.list :


    deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main


    On 4/17/22 05:46, phil995511 - wrote:
    Hello,

    Chromium is on version 99 on Debian 11 Stable :

    bullseye (stable) (web): navigateur web
    99.0.4844.74-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=chromium
    <https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=chromium>

    2 highlest security updates have been released since.

    The Testing and Unstable branches each get one of these 2 updates (100.0.4896.88-1 & 100.0.4896.127-1), but not Stable (99.0.4844.74-1) !?!\

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  • From Satvik Sinha@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Apr 17 19:10:01 2022
    Hi ,If an update is on only testing and unstable branch ,then that means
    that those updates are not yet ready for stable branch and must be in
    testing phase where the code and optimised and stabilized for public use
    after days of testing

    On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 15:30, phil995511 - <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hello,

    Chromium is on version 99 on Debian 11 Stable :

    bullseye (stable) (web): navigateur web
    99.0.4844.74-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386

    https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=chromium

    2 highlest security updates have been released since.

    The Testing and Unstable branches each get one of these 2 updates (100.0.4896.88-1 & 100.0.4896.127-1), but not Stable (99.0.4844.74-1) !?!

    Debian 11 Stable users are exposed to these major security flaws.

    They risk having important confidential information stolen, whether their computer systems are hacked remotely ;-(

    Your solution of pushing browser updates first through Unstable, then
    through Testing and finally pushing them to the Stable branch more than a
    1/2 month later has the consequence that you leave your Debian Stable users become potential victims of hackers.

    This way of doing things is wrong and needs to be changed urgently for the good of Debian Stable users !!!

    You must immediately publish all new updates to the Stable branch, immediately after they have been released !!!

    The current situation just makes you want to abandon Debian for a distribution with better monitoring of updates...

    Regards.


    <div dir="ltr">Hi ,If an update is on only testing and unstable branch ,then that means that those updates are not yet ready for stable branch and must be in testing phase where the code and optimised and stabilized for public use after days of testing<
    /div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 15:30, phil995511 - &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
    0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,<br><br>Chromium is on version 99 on Debian 11 Stable :<br><br>bullseye (stable) (web): navigateur web<br>99.0.4844.74-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386<br><a
    href="https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&amp;section=all&amp;arch=any&amp;lang=fr&amp;searchon=names&amp;keywords=chromium" target="_blank">https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&amp;section=all&amp;arch=any&amp;lang=fr&amp;
    searchon=names&amp;keywords=chromium</a><br><br>2 highlest security updates have been released since.<br><br>The Testing and Unstable branches each get one of these 2 updates (100.0.4896.88-1 &amp; 100.0.4896.127-1), but not Stable (99.0.4844.74-1) !?!<
    <br>Debian 11 Stable users are exposed to these major security flaws.<br><br>They risk having important confidential information stolen, whether their computer systems are hacked remotely ;-(<br><br>Your solution of pushing browser updates first
    through Unstable, then through Testing and finally pushing them to the Stable branch more than a 1/2 month later has the consequence that you leave your Debian Stable users become potential victims of hackers. <br><br>This way of doing things is wrong
    and needs to be changed urgently for the good of Debian Stable users !!! <br><br>You must immediately publish all new updates to the Stable branch, immediately after they have been released !!!<br><br>The current situation just makes you want to abandon
    Debian for a distribution with better monitoring of updates...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards.</div></div>
    </blockquote></div>

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  • From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 18 13:20:01 2022
    phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 14:17:11 CEST:
    My post is trying to bring your attention to a major issue, nothing
    more, if you're too tired take a vacation, but respect my request and
    make sure to fix issues of Chromium on Debian Stable updates that
    aren't sufficient as it is.

    There is nothing wrong with pointing that out. And I think you have a
    valid point here.

    But the way you did… was not really appropriate or helpful.

    I would have tried to make you aware of it, I will not do it again x
    times, I will simply migrate to another OS if you remain in this
    situation or the apps such as Chromium are not seriously updated
    enough, which I do not don't find it satisfactory, like a lot of
    other Linux users. Afterwards, if you need help to do the job, you
    […]

    It is perfectly your choice to migrate to another OS.

    But I wonder where you take the authority from to speak about a lot of
    Linux users. Do you have anything to back up your claim?

    For example I am not effected at all as I am using Devuan Ceres, which is based on Debian Sid, for desktop machines. And I do not care all that
    much about Chromium anyway as Firefox is my main browser.

    Anyway, someone needs to do the additional work. For free. So I really
    ask you to reconsider whether your tone is helpful here. If I would be
    one of the developers in charge, when confronted with such a tone, I
    would probably just think: "Yeah, then just migrate to another OS. I
    don't care." And that not cause I would not care about the security
    issue you pointed out.

    --
    Martin

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