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  • Problem With Debian Root Desktop

    From Saurav Sarkar@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 00:00:01 2023
    Hi,
    I was using purchased Debian 8.1.0 and wanted to upgrade to some higher versions after using it for few years.
    So I downloaded Debian 10 and found that "root" account do not have full rights that is "root" user cannot right click on the root's Desktop even "root" user cannot see the root's Desktop Icons also.
    I emailed to you but no reply came.
    I thought maybe downloaded version have problem.
    So now i bought Debian 12.1.0 and found that the problem resists, that is "root" user cannot right click on the root's Desktop even "root" user cannot see the root's Desktop Icons also.
    In Debian 8.1.0 there is no such problems.
    So i want to know Why "root" or "administrator" account do not have Full Rights to their Desktop ?
    My money gone to HELL.
    Bye,Regards,Saurav Sarkar

    <html><head></head><body><div class="yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="
    false">I was using purchased Debian 8.1.0 and wanted to upgrade to some higher versions after using it for few years.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So I downloaded Debian 10 and found that "root"
    account do not have full rights that is "root" user cannot right click on the root's Desktop even "root" user cannot see the root's Desktop Icons also.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I emailed to you
    but no reply came.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I thought maybe downloaded version have problem.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So now i bought
    Debian 12.1.0 and found that the problem resists, that is&nbsp;<span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">"root" user cannot right click on the root's Desktop even "root" user cannot
    see the root's Desktop Icons also.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="
    false">In Debian 8.1.0 there is no such problems.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So i want to know Why "root" or "administrator" account do not have Full Rights to their Desktop ?</div><div dir="ltr"
    data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">My money gone to HELL.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Bye,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Regards,</div><div dir="ltr" data-
    setdir="false">Saurav Sarkar</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div></div></body></html>

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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Saurav Sarkar on Thu Sep 21 20:00:02 2023
    On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 09:47:20PM +0000, Saurav Sarkar wrote:
    Hi,
    I was using purchased Debian 8.1.0 and wanted to upgrade to some higher versions after using it for few years.
    So I downloaded Debian 10 and found that "root" account do not have full rights that is "root" user cannot right click on the root's Desktop even "root" user cannot see the root's Desktop Icons also.

    This is probably a user level query and probably not something suitable
    for the list that goes to the entire Debian Project - follow-ups to the debian-user mailing list perhaps?

    I emailed to you but no reply came.
    I thought maybe downloaded version have problem.
    So now i bought Debian 12.1.0 and found that the problem resists, that is�"root" user cannot right click on the root's Desktop even "root" user cannot see the root's Desktop Icons also.

    Various of the desktop environments discourage direct log-in as root because this can cause security problems. In GNOME, there is a setting that you
    can manually make to allow root login in gdm, but this is not recommended.

    In Debian 8.1.0 there is no such problems.

    With respect, Debian 8.1 is quite a long time ago - security threats (and security practices) may have changed quite a lot and large parts of the
    Debian codebase have been updated because of security bugs in those years
    .
    So i want to know Why "root" or "administrator" account do not have Full Rights to their Desktop ?

    This GUI login as root has been discouraged for a long time but you can
    find ways to enable it if you wish.

    My money gone to HELL.
    Bye,Regards,Saurav Sarkar

    With every good wish,

    Andy Cater
    [[email protected]]

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  • From Gerardo Ballabio@21:1/5 to Saurav Sarkar on Fri Sep 22 10:10:01 2023
    Saurav Sarkar wrote:
    I was using purchased Debian 8.1.0
    [snip]
    So now i bought Debian 12.1.0
    [snip]
    My money gone to HELL.

    Hello,
    since you mentioned paying for Debian, let me point out that Debian
    has always been free of charge. You can download it from here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/

    I don't know how you ended up paying for Debian. You might have
    purchased a computer with Debian preinstalled, or you might have
    bought a Debian installation CD or DVD from a reseller, or you might
    have paid someone to install Debian on your computer. In any of those
    cases, you may check whether you are entitled to receive support from
    them.

    Regards
    Gerardo

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  • From Saurav Sarkar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 25 11:20:01 2023
    Hi,
    I like to use Mate Desktop because it is almost different from other Desktop views.
    And not giving the permission for right clicking on root's Desktop and not giving the permission of viewing the root's Desktop Icons is something like President of United States which is now Joe Biden can enter White House but do not have permissions to
    sit on chairs in White House and even do not have permissions to sit beside discussion table in White House.
    Or King Charles can enter Buckingham Palace but do not have permissions to sit on chairs, and even do not have permissions to lay down on bed or sleep on bed.
    Even the root cannot give sound output, actually cannot sense the sound card in Debian 12.1.0.
    No problem with sounds in users in Debian 12.1.0.
    Rest is Debian Developers thought.
    Next time i will not go for Debian Linux even other linux distros may not have Mate Desktop still i will not go for Debian anymore.
    Bye,
    Regards,Saurav Sarkar+919830668794

    <html><head></head><body><div class="ydpf8aa4f40yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica
    Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Hi,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-
    serif;">I like to use Mate Desktop because it is almost different from other Desktop views.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="
    font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">And not giving the permission for right clicking on root's Desktop and not giving the permission of viewing the root's Desktop Icons is something like President of United States which is now Joe
    Biden can enter White House but do not have permissions to sit on chairs in White House and even&nbsp;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">do not have permissions to si</span>t beside discussion table in White House.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"
    style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Or King Charles can enter Buckingham Palace but&nbsp;<span style="color:
    rgb(0, 0, 0);">do not have permissions to&nbsp;</span>sit on chairs, and even&nbsp;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">do not have permissions to&nbsp;</span>lay down on bed or sleep on bed.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family:
    Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Even the root cannot give sound output, actually cannot sense the sound card in Debian 12.1.0.</
    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">No problem with sounds in users in
    Debian 12.1.0.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Rest is Debian Developers thought.</div><div dir="
    ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Next time i will not go for Debian Linux even
    other linux distros may not have Mate Desktop still i will not go for Debian anymore.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-
    family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Bye,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue,
    Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Regards,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Saurav Sarkar</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
    sans-serif;">+919830668794</div></div><br></div></div></body></html>

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?RGFuaWFsIEJlaHphZGkg2K/Yp@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 25 12:00:02 2023
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    You should never ever login with root, specially in graphical target. Enablement of root user is deprecated for decades and no new app assumes running by it. Sine of them will warn you, but most of them just breaks.

    در ۲۵ سپتامبر ۲۰۲۳ ۸:۴۷:۱۲ (UTC)، Saurav Sarkar <[email protected]> نوشت:
    Hi,
    I like to use Mate Desktop because it is almost different from other Desktop views.
    And not giving the permission for right clicking on root's Desktop and not giving the permission of viewing the root's Desktop Icons is something like President of United States which is now Joe Biden can enter White House but do not have permissions to
    sit on chairs in White House and even do not have permissions to sit beside discussion table in White House.
    Or King Charles can enter Buckingham Palace but do not have permissions to sit on chairs, and even do not have permissions to lay down on bed or sleep on bed.
    Even the root cannot give sound output, actually cannot sense the sound card in Debian 12.1.0.
    No problem with sounds in users in Debian 12.1.0.
    Rest is Debian Developers thought.
    Next time i will not go for Debian Linux even other linux distros may not have Mate Desktop still i will not go for Debian anymore.
    Bye,
    Regards,Saurav Sarkar+919830668794

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    <html><head></head><body><div dir="auto">You should never ever login with root, specially in graphical target.<br>Enablement of root user is deprecated for decades and no new app assumes running by it. Sine of them will warn you, but most of them just
    breaks.</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">در ۲۵ سپتامبر ۲۰۲۳ ۸:۴۷:۱۲ (UTC)، Saurav Sarkar &lt;[email protected]&gt; نوشت:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left:
    1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
    <div class="ydpf8aa4f40yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
    sans-serif;">Hi,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I like to use Mate
    Desktop because it is almost different from other Desktop views.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue,
    Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">And not giving the permission for right clicking on root's Desktop and not giving the permission of viewing the root's Desktop Icons is something like President of United States which is now Joe Biden can enter White House
    but do not have permissions to sit on chairs in White House and even&nbsp;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">do not have permissions to si</span>t beside discussion table in White House.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family:
    Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Or King Charles can enter Buckingham Palace but&nbsp;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">do not
    have permissions to&nbsp;</span>sit on chairs, and even&nbsp;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">do not have permissions to&nbsp;</span>lay down on bed or sleep on bed.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
    Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Even the root cannot give sound output, actually cannot sense the sound card in Debian 12.1.0.</div><div dir="ltr" data-
    setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">No problem with sounds in users in Debian 12.1.0.</div><div
    style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Rest is Debian Developers thought.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"
    style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Next time i will not go for Debian Linux even other linux distros may not
    have Mate Desktop still i will not go for Debian anymore.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue,
    Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Bye,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">
    Regards,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Saurav Sarkar</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">+919830668794</
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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Saurav Sarkar on Mon Sep 25 19:50:01 2023
    On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 08:47:12AM +0000, Saurav Sarkar wrote:
    Hi,
    I like to use Mate Desktop because it is almost different from other Desktop views.

    Hi

    As previously suggested, this is more a question for debian-user mailing list than the whole Debian Project.

    And not giving the permission for right clicking on root's Desktop and not giving the permission of viewing the root's Desktop Icons is something like President of United States which is now Joe Biden can enter White House but do not have permissions
    to sit on chairs in White House and even�do not have permissions to sit beside discussion table in White House.
    Or King Charles can enter Buckingham Palace but�do not have permissions to�sit on chairs, and even�do not have permissions to�lay down on bed or sleep on bed.

    If you set up a normal non-root user and give them sudo privileges, you do
    not _need_ root login inside a GUI.

    As others have suggested, this is a significant security problem if you wish
    to run a graphical environment as root.

    Even the root cannot give sound output, actually cannot sense the sound card in Debian 12.1.0.

    *Which* sound care? What does the output from dmesg say if run by root -
    can you then check to find the sound device in the output?

    No problem with sounds in users in Debian 12.1.0.

    Then the desktop is potentially working as designed.

    Rest is Debian Developers thought.
    Next time i will not go for Debian Linux even other linux distros may not have Mate Desktop still i will not go for Debian anymore.

    I think you may find similar problems with any of the Debian derivatives which all tend to work the same way. Likewise Fedora and the Red Hat derivatives - all discourage calling a GUI as the root user.

    Bye,
    Regards,Saurav Sarkar+919830668794

    With every good wish, as ever,

    Andy Cater
    [[email protected]]

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