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Greetings,

* Cord Beermann ([email protected]) wrote:

As listmaster i can confirm that it is a big problem to deliver Mails to gmail/outlook/yahoo. Yahoo Subscribers are mostly gone by now because they bounced a lot, for gmail it is so much that we just ignore bounces because of those rules.

As a maintainer or some pretty big lists ... we don't have *that* much
trouble delivering to gmail, or others for that matter.

| helgefjell.de descriptive text "v=spf1 ip4:142.132.201.35 mx ~all"

so you flagged your mail has to come from that IP (or the MX) and from other sources it should be considered suspicious.

... but if it's DKIM signed, then it'll generally get delivered
properly.

SRS/ARC and so on are just dirty patches that try to fix things that were broken before, but they will break even more things like Mail signing.

ARC doesn't break DKIM signatures (unless someone's got a very broken
DKIM setup which over-signs ARC headers ... but if so, then that's on
them).

Thanks,

Stephen

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Greetings,

* Mattia Rizzolo ([email protected]) wrote:

Alternatively, I wonder if ARC nowadays is respected enough (and if
Google cares about it)... I personally don't have any system with ARC
under my care.

Sadly, no, they don't seem to care one bit about ARC, except possibly if
it's their own ARC sigs.

If someone has some idea how to get them to care about ARC, I'd love to
hear about it, as I have folks on the one hand who view DKIM/DMARC as
too painful to set up but then they end up with bounces from gmail due
to my forwarding of messages through my server (which are being
ARC-signed by it and pass on that the SPF check was successful when they arrived to my server)...

I'd encourage everyone running their own email servers to please get DKIM/DMARC/ARC/SPF set up. Yeah, it's annoying, but it's not actually
all *that* bad to do.

Thanks,

Stephen

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