Our next Low-Hanging Fruit Session[1] on IRC is tomorrow:
2025-07-21, 17:00 UTC, #debian-perl @ irc.debian.org (A.K.A. OFTC)

The current agenda (taken straight from the wiki[2]) is as follows:

Items for the next LHF session:

* (procedural:) Start additional Jitsi call?
* dgit experience exchange / tutorial
* Make all the packages autopkgtestable
* Upgrade packages to the latest upstream release
* lintian: hardening-no-bindnow and friends
* Uploading packages that have not been uploaded for some time?


Please add agenda items to the wiki page[2].

[1] <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/LHF>
[2] <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/LHF/Agenda>

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Hello,

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 12:00am +01, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

* dgit experience exchange / tutorial

Maybe this should be tag2upload experiences, now? :)

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Hi Sean,

Sean Whitton, on 2025-07-21:

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 12:00am +01, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

* dgit experience exchange / tutorial

Maybe this should be tag2upload experiences, now? :)

Perhaps, although I don't believe we have consistent activation
of Salsa CI accross all Perl packages handled by the team to
make tag2upload shine just yet. In the past there were concerns
that bulk updates brought to the whole set of 4000 Perl packages
would degrade the Salsa CI service if they triggered all at the
same time. Maybe tag2upload is a good opportunity to revisit
these concerns, determine mitigations, etc?

Have a nice day, :)
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Hello,

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 06:59pm +02, Étienne Mollier wrote:

Hi Sean,

Sean Whitton, on 2025-07-21:

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 12:00am +01, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

* dgit experience exchange / tutorial

Maybe this should be tag2upload experiences, now? :)

Perhaps, although I don't believe we have consistent activation
of Salsa CI accross all Perl packages handled by the team to
make tag2upload shine just yet. In the past there were concerns
that bulk updates brought to the whole set of 4000 Perl packages
would degrade the Salsa CI service if they triggered all at the
same time. Maybe tag2upload is a good opportunity to revisit
these concerns, determine mitigations, etc?

Hmm, I don't think I follow. Salsa CI isn't intrinsically connected
with tag2upload. It'll be triggered whether or not the upload is done
with tag2upload.

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Sean Whitton

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Sean Whitton, on 2025-07-21:

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 06:59pm +02, Étienne Mollier wrote:

Sean Whitton, on 2025-07-21:

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 12:00am +01, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

* dgit experience exchange / tutorial

Maybe this should be tag2upload experiences, now? :)

Perhaps, although I don't believe we have consistent activation
of Salsa CI accross all Perl packages handled by the team to
make tag2upload shine just yet. In the past there were concerns
that bulk updates brought to the whole set of 4000 Perl packages
would degrade the Salsa CI service if they triggered all at the
same time. Maybe tag2upload is a good opportunity to revisit
these concerns, determine mitigations, etc?

Hmm, I don't think I follow. Salsa CI isn't intrinsically connected
with tag2upload. It'll be triggered whether or not the upload is done
with tag2upload.

Thanks for the clarification, I was under the impression of the
contrary, not having had the opportunity to try it yet. I don't
really have much packages to upload right now, given how close
is full freeze. Hopefully it will be possible to provide more
experience feedback after unstable thaws.

Have a nice day, :)
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Hmm, I don't think I follow. Salsa CI isn't intrinsically connected
with tag2upload. It'll be triggered whether or not the upload is
done
with tag2upload.

Thanks for the clarification, I was under the impression of the
contrary, not having had the opportunity to try it yet. I don't
really have much packages to upload right now, given how close
is full freeze. Hopefully it will be possible to provide more
experience feedback after unstable thaws.

You may be missing the part that tag2upload is told about every tag push
for all repositories on salsa. Its a global system hook. So it doesn't
need any special handling to know about when it has to do some work.

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 15:57:51 +0100, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 12:00am +01, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

* dgit experience exchange / tutorial

Maybe this should be tag2upload experiences, now? :)

I'm a bit concerned about the missing pristine-tar integration. From
my understanding (which might be wrong) the following could happen:

- Person A imports a new upstream release (as a tarball from the
CPAN) and uploads the package with tag2upload.
- tag2upload in this case creates an *.orig.tar.gz not from the
pristine-tar branch but with git-deborig from one or another
upstream tag.
- Person B wants to upload a -2 revison and doesn't use tag2upload.
In this case their build system will generate an *.orig.tar.gz from
the pristine-tar branch and include its checksum in *.dsc file.
- And boom!, dak will reject the upload because different checksums.

Just my understanding right now, and I might be wrong, and I hope I
am :) But currently I'm a bit unsure about using tag2upload 1) in a
team which 2) works from upstream tarballs.


Cheers,
gregor

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 18:59:30 +0200, �tienne Mollier wrote:

Sean Whitton, on 2025-07-21:

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 12:00am +01, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

* dgit experience exchange / tutorial

Maybe this should be tag2upload experiences, now? :)

Perhaps, although I don't believe we have consistent activation
of Salsa CI accross all Perl packages handled by the team to
make tag2upload shine just yet.

As Sean mentioned, I also don't think there's a relation between
salsaci and tag2upload. But regarding salsaci:
I thought we had agreed to bury this topic in the Bof last week but
maybe it was only me mentioning that I would prefer not to have this
topic on each and every BoF agenda since 2019 or whatever without
coming to any result :)

But if there is a desire to discuss this here on the mailing list and
come to a consensus that's of course also totally fine for me.


Cheers,
gregor

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Hello,

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 11:31pm +02, gregor herrmann wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 15:57:51 +0100, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 12:00am +01, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

* dgit experience exchange / tutorial

Maybe this should be tag2upload experiences, now? :)

I'm a bit concerned about the missing pristine-tar integration. From my understanding (which might be wrong) the following could happen:

- Person A imports a new upstream release (as a tarball from the CPAN) and
uploads the package with tag2upload.
- tag2upload in this case creates an *.orig.tar.gz not from the
pristine-tar branch but with git-deborig from one or another upstream
tag.
- Person B wants to upload a -2 revison and doesn't use tag2upload. In this
case their build system will generate an *.orig.tar.gz from the
pristine-tar branch and include its checksum in *.dsc file.
- And boom!, dak will reject the upload because different checksums.

Yes, I think you're right, that could be a problem indeed.

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 00:00:03 +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

Our next Low-Hanging Fruit Session[1] on IRC is tomorrow:
2025-07-21, 17:00 UTC, #debian-perl @ irc.debian.org (A.K.A. OFTC)

And here are the notes, taken by emollier on gobby (thanks!):

Participants
============

present: emollier
waves from:
regrets from: gregoa

Work done
=========

* Reviewed `dpt upstreamvcs`: the renaming script from the
upstream-repo remote to upstreamvcs;
* discussed about starting using tag2upload, thanks spwhitton
for having sparked the discussion on the mailing list.

We are near full freeze, so LHF happen to be quite scarse.



Next meeting: 2025-08-21, 19:00 UTC https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/LHF https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/LHF/Agenda


Cheers,
gregor

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