Hello Perl Debian people,

I lost sight of the Perl evolution many years ago and forgot a lot of
things. Now I have some tools to write and I have in mind they can be
packaged for CPAN and debian.

Also: I realize someone packaged Perlude (I'm really honored) and saw
you tried to contact me via github/pause. I would like recover the
accounts so I can fix the problem and orphan my modules to more
involved people.

So I have questions:

* are there docs to read and tools (or scaffold) to use when you want to
package to CPAN the way people do in 2024? I remember about module-starter
and distzilla, both had issues and Makefile.PL was good enough for me.
* I'll move the projects from github and deal with patches and issues by
mail. can we still use the PAUSE RT to do so ? (I'll update the documentations)

regards,

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P�le CESAR (Calcul et services avanc�s � la recherche)
Universit� de Strasbourg
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Hi Marc,

While I happen to maintain a couple of Perl packages, I actually
do very little Perl programming myself, so I'm certainly not the
best to comment on constructing modules, but let's see if I can
contribute this usefully.

Marc Chantreux, on 2024-06-19:

I lost sight of the Perl evolution many years ago and forgot a lot of
things. Now I have some tools to write and I have in mind they can be packaged for CPAN and debian.

Also: I realize someone packaged Perlude (I'm really honored) and saw
you tried to contact me via github/pause. I would like recover the
accounts so I can fix the problem and orphan my modules to more
involved people.

So I have questions:

* are there docs to read and tools (or scaffold) to use when you want to
package to CPAN the way people do in 2024? I remember about module-starter
and distzilla, both had issues and Makefile.PL was good enough for me.

I dug a bit into Perl documentation and found a lot of
information about building modules in perlnewmod(1)[1] and
perlmodstyle(1)[2] manual pages. The new module guide does
suggest to create a stub with module-starter, along with h2x
although comments in the documentation do not suggest this is
particularly modern. If you're after distributing your module
through .deb, you may also have a stab at dh-make-perl(1p)[3],
and why not maybe join the Debian Perl Team[4] to maintain them
officially in Debian. ;)

[1]: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlnewmod
[2]: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlmodstyle
[3]: https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/dh-make-perl/dh-make-perl.1p.en.html [4]: https://perl-team.pages.debian.net/

* I'll move the projects from github and deal with patches and issues by
mail. can we still use the PAUSE RT to do so ? (I'll update the documentations)

It seems rt.cpan.org still advertises support for PAUSE in their
Usage[5] page:

To work with bugs, every module author with a PAUSE account
can log into rt.cpan.org with their PAUSE userid and
password. If you can't log in or distributions you maintain
aren't listed, you can send email to
[email protected].

[5]: https://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/RT/CPAN/Usage.html

I vaguely recall something about a project closing their issue
tracker at some point in the past few years, and I'm confused
whether that was rt.cpan.org, or something else, or whether I'm
simply misremembering anything at all. Anyone, don't hesitate
to chime in if I forgot something important on this topic.

Have a nice day, :)
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Étienne Mollier <[email protected]> writes:

I vaguely recall something about a project closing their issue tracker
at some point in the past few years, and I'm confused whether that was rt.cpan.org, or something else, or whether I'm simply misremembering
anything at all. Anyone, don't hesitate to chime in if I forgot
something important on this topic.

There was a period of time when the CPAN RT instance was going to be shut
down because the maintainers were no longer able to keep it running, but I believe Best Practical volunteered to take it over and keep it running and
it is no longer in danger of going away.

--
Russ Allbery ([email protected]) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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Hi Russ,

Russ Allbery, on 2024-06-20:

Étienne Mollier <[email protected]> writes:

I vaguely recall something about a project closing their issue tracker
at some point in the past few years, and I'm confused whether that was rt.cpan.org, or something else, or whether I'm simply misremembering anything at all. Anyone, don't hesitate to chime in if I forgot
something important on this topic.

There was a period of time when the CPAN RT instance was going to be shut down because the maintainers were no longer able to keep it running, but I believe Best Practical volunteered to take it over and keep it running and
it is no longer in danger of going away.

Ah right, Thank you for clearing my mind!

Have a nice day, :)
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On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:05:01PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:

* are there docs to read and tools (or scaffold) to use when you want to
package to CPAN the way people do in 2024? I remember about module-starter >> and distzilla, both had issues and Makefile.PL was good enough for me.

I dug a bit into Perl documentation and found a lot of
information about building modules in perlnewmod(1)[1] and
perlmodstyle(1)[2] manual pages. The new module guide does
suggest to create a stub with module-starter, along with h2x
although comments in the documentation do not suggest this is
particularly modern. If you're after distributing your module
through .deb, you may also have a stab at dh-make-perl(1p)[3],
and why not maybe join the Debian Perl Team[4] to maintain them
officially in Debian. ;)

[1]: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlnewmod
[2]: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlmodstyle
[3]: https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/dh-make-perl/dh-make-perl.1p.en.html >[4]: https://perl-team.pages.debian.net/

One thing I still appreciate about the Perl ecosystem is the amount of documentation.
Nowadays, I would start from the Task Kensho as a first (re)start.

[5] https://metacpan.org/pod/Task::Kensho::ModuleDev

* I'll move the projects from github and deal with patches and issues by
mail. can we still use the PAUSE RT to do so ? (I'll update the documentations)

I find both git(hub/lab) and RT-based repositories running as backend for developers.
It is definitely your choice. The first one allows running actions/tasks easily and that could be a big plus.

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