• Re: Package management tool

    From Soren Stoutner@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 26 15:50:53 2023
    Copy: [email protected] (Marc Haber)

    I love KDE, but I am not aware of a full-fledged KDE-based package management tool. I often use KDE Discover to install updates, mostly because I want to be aware of any improvements to Discover. But I drop back to using Synaptic, which is built on GTK, or apt on the command-line, when I need to do anything more complex. (In the settings I check “Show package properties in the main window” and “Clicking on the status icon marks the most likely action”.)

    Seeing as how managing packages is one of the core activities of using a system, not having a really good program in KDE for doing so seems like an odd oversight. That being said, so far I haven’t been bothered by it enough to volunteer to write a full-fledged KDE-based package manager, so, until I do, I don’t have much right to complain about it.

    On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 3:27:05 PM MST Marc Haber wrote:
    Hi,

    on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
    graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
    user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
    apt on the command line.

    KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
    for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
    that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
    find the firefox browser.

    (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
    (2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
    recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
    configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
    on a KDE system?


    Greetings
    Marc


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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 26 23:30:01 2023
    Hi,

    on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
    graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
    user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
    apt on the command line.

    KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
    for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
    that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
    find the firefox browser.

    (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
    (2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
    recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
    configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
    on a KDE system?


    Greetings
    Marc

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  • From David Hill@21:1/5 to Luc Castermans on Thu Dec 28 02:00:02 2023
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2023-12-27 7:32 a.m., Luc Castermans wrote:
    hi

    mini howto would be nice. I use "apt" too, never was aware e.g.
    Firefox is not seen be Discover although enabled in sources.list

    Luc


    Sedat Dilek <[email protected]> schreef op 27 december 2023
    13:16:50 UTC:

    On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:27 PM Marc Haber
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hi, on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative
    tasks in graphical tools to be able to answer beginners'
    questions in the unix user group. That also means package
    management, which I usually do with apt on the command line.
    KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I
    am looking for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers
    like 2000 packages for installation (the notebook alone has
    2400 packages installed), it says that the installation only
    has 240 packages installed. And it cannot find the firefox
    browser. (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?

    Hi Marc, there is some work to be done to get KDE/discover run
    properly and update all the software catalogues while recognizing
    your sources.list. This resulted in more MB to be downloaded for
    all my repository-information - when using/checked with apt. But I
    never installed software via KDE/discover - just displayed what
    software is available. Maybe, I can share my mini-howto when I am
    in front of my Debian system. IIRC apt-config-xxx and packagekit
    needs to be adapted. When I was using mobile network connection I
    disabled some settings in apt-config-xxx to reduce the amount of
    (repository) data which is required by KDE/discover to build the
    software-catalogues.

    (2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
    recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
    configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive on a
    KDE system?

    /me relies on good old apt for software-upgrades. BR, -Sedat-

    I use too use apt, but there is Apper. It is not as "shiny and bright"
    as Discover but does provide a KDE GUI to package management and seems
    to include all packages in sources.list. It's very basic - it does not
    seem provide for purging or autoremove for example.


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-12-27 7:32 a.m., Luc Castermans
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    mini howto would be nice. I use "apt" too, never was aware e.g.
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    <div dir="auto">Sedat Dilek <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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    <pre class="k9mail"><div dir="auto">On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:27 PM Marc Haber <a
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    href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a> wrote:
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    Hi,

    on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
    graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
    user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
    apt on the command line.

    KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
    for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for
    installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
    that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
    find the firefox browser.

    (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
    </div></blockquote><div dir="auto">
    Hi Marc,

    there is some work to be done to get KDE/discover run properly and
    update all the software catalogues while recognizing your
    sources.list.

    This resulted in more MB to be downloaded for all my
    repository-information - when using/checked with apt.

    But I never installed software via KDE/discover - just displayed what
    software is available.

    Maybe, I can share my mini-howto when I am in front of my Debian system.

    IIRC apt-config-xxx and packagekit needs to be adapted.

    When I was using mobile network connection I disabled some settings in apt-config-xxx to reduce the amount of (repository) data which is
    required by KDE/discover to build the software-catalogues.

    </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
    style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><div
    dir="auto"> (2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
    recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
    configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
    on a KDE system?

    </div></blockquote><div dir="auto">
    /me relies on good old apt for software-upgrades.

    BR,
    -Sedat-
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    bright" as Discover but does provide a KDE GUI to package
    management and seems to include all packages in sources.list. It's
    very basic - it does not seem provide for purging or autoremove
    for example. <br>
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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 21 20:10:03 2024
    Hi,

    thanks for your comments. I have in the mean time decided that plasma
    discover is probably not the correct tool to maintain a Debian system
    and will continue to recommend using the command line tools or synaptic
    if a clickable frontend is absolutely desired by the local user even if
    KDE is being used.

    Greetings
    Marc

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