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From Soren Stoutner@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 17 15:32:15 2022

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I am developing a Qt WebEngine based web browser named Privacy Browser.

https://www.stoutner.com/privacy-browser-pc/[1]

Currently it is in pre-alpha, but it will soon reach an alpha release stage, at which point I
would like to package it for Debian. I noticed that Debian does not currently ship packages
for Qt WebEngine dictionaries. Qt WebEngine can use Hunspell dictionaries compiled into
a special binary format using qwebengine_convert_dict from the qtwebengine5-dev-tools
package.

https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-features.html#spellchecker[2]

The binary packages should be placed (currently) in the /usr/share/qt5/ qtwebengine_dictionaries directory, although I would assume that it would make sense to
create a symlink from /usr/share/qt6/qtwebengine_dictionaries, and I would assume that
when qt6 becomes the default the binary files should move there.

Once the binary dictionary files are in Debian any program that uses Qt WebEngine can
take advantage of them (they do have to enable spell checking in their source code and
select the desired language).

I created a feature request to work with the maintainer of the English Hunspell dictionary
package (src: scowl) and it seems like the best way to handle this would be to use the
existing source to create these binary files, either in the existing binary package or in a
separate package.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017646[3]

My questions for the Debian KDE community is if there is a preference for the naming
convention of a possible new binary package and if the proposed file locations and
symlinks are the best way to handle the installation.

My plan was to wait and see how things landed with the English package and then reach
out to the maintainers of the other Hunspell languages and offer assistance to add the Qt
WebEngine dictionaries to their packages as well.

Soren

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[1] https://www.stoutner.com/privacy-browser-pc/
[2] https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-features.html#spellchecker
[3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017646

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<body>I am developing a Qt WebEngine based web browser named Privacy Browser.
 <a href="https://www.stoutner.com/privacy-browser-pc/">https://www.stoutner.com/privacy-browser-pc/</a>
 Currently it is in pre-alpha, but it will soon reach an alpha release stage, at which point I would like to package it for Debian.� I noticed that Debian does not currently ship
packages for Qt WebEngine dictionaries.� Qt WebEngine can use Hunspell dictionaries compiled into a special binary format using qwebengine_convert_dict from the qtwebengine5-dev-tools package.
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<a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-features.html#spellchecker">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-features.html#spellchecker</a>
 The binary packages should be placed (currently) in the /usr/share/qt5/qtwebengine_dictionaries directory, although I would assume that it would make sense to create a symlink
from /usr/share/qt6/qtwebengine_dictionaries, and I would assume that when qt6 becomes the default the binary files should move there.
 Once the binary dictionary files are in Debian any program that uses Qt WebEngine can take advantage of them (they do have to enable spell checking in their source code and
select the desired language).
 I created a feature request to work with the maintainer of the English Hunspell dictionary package (src: scowl) and it seems like the best way to handle this would be to use the
existing source to create these binary files, either in the existing binary package or in a separate package.
 <a href="https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017646">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017646</a>
 My questions for the Debian KDE community is if there is a preference for the naming convention of a possible new binary package and if the proposed file locations and symlinks
are the best way to handle the installation.
 My plan was to wait and see how things landed with the English package and then reach out to the maintainers of the other Hunspell languages and offer assistance to add the Qt
WebEngine dictionaries to their packages as well.
 Soren
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From Rene Engelhard@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 18:00:01 2022

Hi,

Am 18.09.22 um 00:32 schrieb Soren Stoutner:

I noticed that Debian does not currently ship packages for Qt
WebEngine dictionaries. Qt WebEngine can use Hunspell dictionaries
compiled into a special binary format using qwebengine_convert_dict
from the qtwebengine5-dev-tools package.

https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-features.html#spellchecker

The binary packages should be placed (currently) in the /usr/share/qt5/qtwebengine_dictionaries directory, although I would
assume that it would make sense to create a symlink from /usr/share/qt6/qtwebengine_dictionaries, and I would assume that when
qt6 becomes the default the binary files should move there.

Can't they be built at runtime by a trigger like PostgreSQL does?

I created a feature request to work with the maintainer of the English Hunspell dictionary package (src: scowl) and it seems like the best
way to handle this would be to use the existing source to create these
binary files

yup

, either in the existing binary package or in a separate package.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017646

I'd argue for a separate package since this .bdic is QtWebengine
specific isn't it? Nothing else uses it.

Whereas the hunspell dicts as-is are used by various applications.

My questions for the Debian KDE community is if there is a preference
for the naming convention of a possible new binary package

no comment for this :)

and if the proposed file locations and symlinks are the best way to
handle the installation

As the person who wrote the initial hunspell policy I don't like those
.bdic files in /usr/share/hunspell.

My plan was to wait and see how things landed with the English

package and then reach out to the maintainers of the other Hunspell
languages and offer assistance to add the Qt WebEngine dictionaries to
their packages as well.

One could have also talked to the hunspell maintainer....

Regards,

Rene

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From Soren Stoutner@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 09:38:17 2022

Copy: [email protected] (Don Armstrong)

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On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:56:00 AM MST Rene Engelhard wrote:

I'd argue for a separate package since this .bdic is QtWebengine
specific isn't it? Nothing else uses it.

Whereas the hunspell dicts as-is are used by various applications.

and if the proposed file locations and symlinks are the best way to
handle the installation

As the person who wrote the initial hunspell policy I don't like those
.bdic files in /usr/share/hunspell.

My plan was to wait and see how things landed with the English

package and then reach out to the maintainers of the other Hunspell
languages and offer assistance to add the Qt WebEngine dictionaries to
their packages as well.

One could have also talked to the hunspell maintainer....

I did speak to the maintainer of the English hunspell packages (Don Armstrong), which are
based on the scowl source package. I originally felt that it would be better for these to be
separate binary packages for the same reasons you have stated. He was the one who felt,
because of their small size, it would be better for these to be packaged in the existing
binaries.

You can read that discussion here:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017646[1]

I don’t have a strong preference either way. I also don’t know if the maintainers of the
various hunspell packages in different languages do much coordination with each other.

This is his patch that enables the building of the Qt WebEngine binary dictionaries:

https://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=deb_pkgs/ scowl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4510f7fed66204384fe8c39fc875e24fd874229b[2]

Soren

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[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017646
[2] https://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=deb_pkgs/ scowl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4510f7fed66204384fe8c39fc875e24fd874229b

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<body>On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:56:00 AM MST Rene Engelhard wrote:
> I'd argue for a separate package since this .bdic is QtWebengine
> specific isn't it? Nothing else uses it.
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From Rene Engelhard@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 20:10:02 2022

Hi,

Am 20.09.22 um 18:38 schrieb Soren Stoutner:

I did speak to the maintainer of the English hunspell packages (Don Armstrong), which are based on the scowl source package.

But not with the maintainer of the hunspell engine itself. Who wrote the hunspell parts of

/usr/share/doc/dictionaries-common-dev/dsdt-policy.txt.gz

Neither with the dictionaries-common maintainers where this policy is
in/from.

I don’t have a strong preference either way.

I do, personally. Please keep it out of hunspell-*.

I also don’t know if the maintainers of the various hunspell packages
in different languages do much coordination with each other.

There's no big coordination here, but they follow above policy.

This is his patch that enables the building of the Qt WebEngine binary dictionaries:

https://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=deb_pkgs/scowl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4510f7fed66204384fe8c39fc875e24fd874229b

You linked that already.

Note that you didn't answer my questions here either.

Regards,

Rene

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From Rene Engelhard@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 20:50:01 2022

@Agustin: context:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2022/09/msg00011.html ff.

Hi again,

Am 20.09.22 um 20:02 schrieb Rene Engelhard:

Hi,

Am 20.09.22 um 18:38 schrieb Soren Stoutner:

I did speak to the maintainer of the English hunspell packages (Don
Armstrong), which are based on the scowl source package.

But not with the maintainer of the hunspell engine itself. Who wrote
the hunspell parts of

/usr/share/doc/dictionaries-common-dev/dsdt-policy.txt.gz

Neither with the dictionaries-common maintainers where this policy is in/from.

We could (and should) document stuff there anyway if we agreed on something.

Though I am actually not amused though that the people who care about
hunspell dicts in Debian and wrote the policy weren't even asked (and
this thread "hidden" in a KDE-centric _user list_, which -kde _is_)

Regards,

Rene

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From Soren Stoutner@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 22:50:01 2022

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I agree that it would be a good idea to discuss this in a central location where the
largest number of hunspell maintainers are likely to see the discussion and a general consensus can be reached. As I don’t see a mailing list for either Hunspell
or for dictionaries in general, I have filed a bug report against dictionaries- common.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1020387[1]

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<body>I agree that it would be a good idea to discuss this in a central location where the largest number of hunspell maintainers are likely to see the discussion and a general
consensus can be reached.  As I don’t see a mailing list for either Hunspell or for dictionaries in general, I have filed a bug report against dictionaries-common.
 <a href="https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1020387">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1020387</a>
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