• State of KDE in testing?

    From local10@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 02:50:01 2022
    Hi,

    Am thinking about upgrading from Bullseye to Bookworm as there are some minor bugs in Bullseye that annoy me and I hope they are resolved in Bullseye. What's the current state of KDE in testing and testing in general? Any issues I need to be aware of? I
    use KDE with X.

    Thanks,

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  • From Luc Castermans@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 08:10:01 2022
    Hi,

    All KDE has bugs, not just from Debian but also up-stream. I'd say "of
    course".

    I use to my satisfaction a close to up-stream, w.r.t. time, KDE packages provided by Norbert: https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/02/kde-plasma-5-24-for-debian/

    Regards,
    Luc

    Op wo 20 apr. 2022 om 07:55 schreef Brad Rogers <[email protected]>:

    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:43:50 +0200 (CEST)
    local10 <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hello local10,

    ....as there are some minor bugs in Bullseye that annoy me....

    {sigh} I'll reply in kind.

    What's the current state of KDE in testing and testing in general?

    It's got bugs.

    Any issues I need to be aware of?

    All of them.

    --
    Regards _
    / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
    / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
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    --
    Luc Castermans
    mailto:[email protected]

    <div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>All KDE has bugs, not just from Debian but also up-stream. I&#39;d say &quot;of course&quot;. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I use to my satisfaction a close to up-stream, w.r.t. time, KDE
    packages provided by Norbert: <br></div><div><a href="https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/02/kde-plasma-5-24-for-debian/">https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/02/kde-plasma-5-24-for-debian/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Regards, <br></div><div>Luc<br></div>
    </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op wo 20 apr. 2022 om 07:55 schreef Brad Rogers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.
    8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:43:50 +0200 (CEST)<br>
    local10 &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

    Hello local10,<br>

    &gt;....as there are some minor bugs in Bullseye that annoy me....<br>

    {sigh}  I&#39;ll reply in kind.<br>

    &gt;What&#39;s the current state of KDE in testing and testing in general?<br>

    It&#39;s got bugs.<br>

    &gt; Any issues I need to be aware of?<br>

    All of them.<br>

    -- <br>
     Regards  _<br>
             / )      &quot;The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent&quot;<br>
            / _)rad   &quot;Is it only me that has a working delete key?&quot;<br>
    If you ain&#39;t sticking your knives in me, you will be eventually<br>
    Monsoon - Robbie Williams<br>
    </blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Luc Castermans<br>mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a></div>

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  • From Shai Berger@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 11:20:01 2022
    Hi,

    I've been using KDE/X from testing for a few years, which implies I'm
    generally pleased enough. As others pointed out, there are problems;
    the one I've experienced most, in the last few weeks, is kwin crashing
    (it restarts automatically and windows seem to all stay where they
    were, so it's not terrible). I should point out that I'm not a very sophisticated user, my common mode of operation is one window maximized
    on one screen, while ignoring the other screen; but I do mix windows
    from different users in one X-session. In fact, the thing that's been
    broken for me so long that I've learned how to deal with it, is sound
    only being available to one user at a time.

    Your mileage may vary,
    Shai.

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_COUDERC?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 13:30:01 2022
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    Le 20 avril 2022 02:43:50 GMT+02:00, local10 <[email protected]> a écrit : >Hi,

    Hi local10,

    Am thinking about upgrading from Bullseye to Bookworm as there are some minor bugs in Bullseye that annoy me and I hope they are resolved in Bullseye. What's the current state of KDE in testing and testing in general? Any issues I need to be aware of? I
    use KDE with X.

    Testing is in a generally usable state and many are using it as a daily driver. Obviously if you're running mission critical machines and cannot afford hicups you should be running stable.

    We try to follow upstream releases closely in testing with the latest upstream versions of Plasma and Gear (applications) currently available and the KDE frameworks libraries being slightly older.

    One thing to be aware of is to be more careful when upgrading major versions of Plasma. We currently don't have a safe way to ensure that all Plasma packages transition form unstable (where we upload them) to testing at once. So be sure you know what you'
    re doing when doing upgrades to ensure you don't end up with mixed versions of Plasma packages.

    Or/and continue reading this list where transitions are announced and you get warned during transitions.

    Regarding the bugs we're following upstream closely, so as others have said we tend to have mostly upstream bugs. 🙂
    It's a bit easier to report these to upstream than if you're using stable though, because upstream focus is really on the latest versions and not on our stable ones.


    Happy testing !
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    <!DOCTYPE html><html><body><br><br>Le 20 avril 2022 02:43:50 GMT+02:00, local10 &lt;[email protected]&gt; a écrit :<br>&gt;Hi,<br><br>Hi local10,<br><br>&gt;Am thinking about upgrading from Bullseye to Bookworm as there are some minor bugs in
    Bullseye that annoy me and I hope they are resolved in Bullseye. What's the current state of KDE in testing and testing in general? Any issues I need to be aware of? I use KDE with X.<br><br>Testing is in a generally usable state and many are using it as
    a daily driver. Obviously if you're running mission critical machines and cannot afford hicups you should be running stable.<br><br>We try to follow upstream releases closely in testing with the latest upstream versions of Plasma and Gear (applications)
    currently available and the KDE frameworks libraries being slightly older.<br><br>One thing to be aware of is to be more careful when upgrading major versions of Plasma. We currently don't have a safe way to ensure that all Plasma packages transition
    form unstable (where we upload them) to testing at once. So be sure you know what you're doing when doing upgrades to ensure you don't end up with mixed versions of Plasma packages.<br><br>Or/and continue reading this list where transitions are announced
    and you get warned during transitions.<br><br>Regarding the bugs we're following upstream closely, so as others have said we tend to have mostly upstream bugs. 🙂<br>It's a bit easier to report these to upstream than if you're using stable though,
    because upstream focus is really on the latest versions and not on our stable ones.<br><br><br>Happy testing !<br>--<br>Aurélien</body></html>
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  • From local10@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 17:20:01 2022
    Apr 20, 2022, 09:08 by [email protected]:

    I've been using KDE/X from testing for a few years, which implies I'm generally pleased enough. As others pointed out, there are problems;
    the one I've experienced most, in the last few weeks, is kwin crashing
    (it restarts automatically and windows seem to all stay where they
    were, so it's not terrible).


    Thanks for your feedback. I'll have to think about it as my annoyances with KDE in Bullseye are minor as well, for example: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445974

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  • From local10@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 17:30:01 2022
    Apr 20, 2022, 11:08 by [email protected]:

    One thing to be aware of is to be more careful when upgrading major versions of Plasma. We currently don't have a safe way to ensure that all Plasma packages transition form unstable (where we upload them) to testing at once. So be sure you know what
    you're doing when doing upgrades to ensure you don't end up with mixed versions of Plasma packages.


    That's what I was concerned about. I usually use "aptitude dist-upgrade" to upgrade between releases, so will it catch a situation like that or will I have to manually ensure that all KDE packages are of the same version?

    Also, what is the current state of KDE/X in testing, are all packages of the same Plasma/KDE version?

    Thanks,

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_COUDERC?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 21:20:01 2022
    Le 20 avril 2022 17:24:23 GMT+02:00, local10 <[email protected]> a écrit : >Apr 20, 2022, 11:08 by [email protected]:

    One thing to be aware of is to be more careful when upgrading major versions of Plasma. We currently don't have a safe way to ensure that all Plasma packages transition form unstable (where we upload them) to testing at once. So be sure you know what
    you're doing when doing upgrades to ensure you don't end up with mixed versions of Plasma packages.


    That's what I was concerned about. I usually use "aptitude dist-upgrade" to upgrade between releases, so will it catch a situation like that or will I have to manually ensure that all KDE packages are of the same version?

    Also, what is the current state of KDE/X in testing, are all packages of the same Plasma/KDE version?

    It's all fine and ready and fine as a daily driver on both AMD and Intel graphics for what I use.
    Even Wayland in Intel is mostly stable (like < 1 crash a week) in my experience and setup.

    Possible breakages would happen around when a new major version of Plasma gets released so the next would be mid-June with Plasma 5.25.


    Happy testing !
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    Aurélien

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